I think the point about "representing" vs. "serving" was well understood
in the London meeting. The planned outcome is a series of actions that
serve all the chapters and even other entities. This will be our main
focus. As I said before, when it comes to "representing", though, an
opt-in model is the best way to go.
Markus
Am 25.02.2013 17:04, schrieb Charles Andrès:
The opt-in model make sense to be sure that all members actually support the
WCA and what can be said in the name of the WCA.
But this is IMHO the problem, the WCA has been presented like a body that
should represent the chapters in negociation with the WMF, but it has been
received like a body that will actually serve the big european chapters in
their negotiation with the WMF.
Thus it's normal that several chapters refuse to join an association that do
not demonstrate its capacity to help every chapter, and not only the noisiest
ones.
Charles
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Le 25 févr. 2013 à 16:45, Katherine Casey <[email protected]> a
écrit :
Seconding Béria here - by common sense, a group called the "Wikimedia
Chapters Association" would represent the Wikimedia chapters. If it only
exists to represent "Wikimedia chapters that sign on to ideas X and Y, and
pledge Z, and attend meeting Q", then the name ought to be more
representative of that - "Biggest Wikimedia Chapters Association", or
"Wikimedia Europe", or "Wikimedia Chapter Politics Interest Group"...
-Fluffernutter
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 10:37 AM, Béria Lima <[email protected]> wrote:
Well, since the WCA don't plan to represent all the chapters, it would be
good it changed the name to a more suitable representation of the truth
(that would be something like "European Chapters Association" based on the
people present in the last
meeting<
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Chapters_Association/Meetings/2013-07
)
to avoid confusion.
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*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
On 25 February 2013 12:21, Dariusz Jemielniak <[email protected]> wrote:
On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 4:07 PM, Nathan <[email protected]> wrote:
The model of voting delegates the casting of votes to members of the
council; which are individuals, chosen by chapters. Purely from a
practical perspective, it may not be possible for chapters to get
council members in order by the deadline for this vote if they are not
already members. Additionally, it's important to distinguish in voting
between chapters abstaining and chapters simply not participating.
Choosing to be a member, while not exercising a vote, is effectively
assent to the outcome. This is not the case for those chapters which
have chosen not to join the WCA.
while I agree that in principle WCA should serve the large Wikimedia
community and its impact should definitely not be limited to members
only,
I believe it is quite dangerous from the point of view of governance to
separate membership from voting rights. Although it could make perfect
sense to accept non-member chapter functionaries as candidates for the
board/chair/etc., the very right to vote should be reserved to those who
opt-in. Otherwise the chain of responsibility gets fuzzy, plus what
Nathan
wrote.
best,
dariusz
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