Hi g, Thanks for calling me an old power editor. I suggest you try to make an edit to a WIkimedia project of choice (e.g. add a photo to an existing article) on a desktop, then do the same on a mobile smartphone, and then report back here. Jane
On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:50 AM, ; ) <b...@gmx.at> wrote: > Hey Jane, > > as the desktop is sometimes characterised only as a legacy input > device for old power editors, while the reading is done from mobile > devices, often in the form of mash-ups and geo-apps, why is a > compromise so hard to achieve? > > One solution that pops up would be to cache the content (as most > useful wikipedia apps do anyway) in a light mobile version, while > allowing an existing group of useful contributors their little island. > This feeling of belonging makes those editors do all the dirty jobs > noone wants to do on a regular basis - most of it fact and copyright > checks that make the content so good it is useful to readers and keeps > them coming back. > > You could create a newbie-friendly version with rich text editing > optimised for different devices, more customisation in an easy way... > if we are realistic that would be the way to go anyway, as you can > start out much easier and with less baggage - and would be able to > target groups on an individual basis in the process, too. When they > evolve in the ("bitter-vet") power users and editors, they can switch > to the still more useful but less pretty interfaces for large data > manipulation, that the desktop offers. > > Shouldn't the focus be on the readers that read the content AND > the editors that produce interesting content to make readers come > back? Gerard in this regard seems to have a somehow bi-polar view of > this process with his us - them characterisation ("the > community that remains with the WMF will lose all of the > separatists"). They will just no longer do the hard stuff, if they > feel that they are not welcome - and finding such people is hard, > really hard (speaking as a long-term gutenberg proof-reader). > > cheers, > > g > > > > > > Thursday, August 28, 2014, 1:56:38 PM, you wrote: > > > I agree with Gerard, and would add that a good portion of the new > > readers and "missing female editors" do not own or operate a desktop > > and are only available on mobile and tablet, so this is not only > > where the new readers are, but also where the "first edit" > > experience is for most women (and sadly, a corollary to that is that > > they don't try again after their first edit failure). > > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 28, 2014, at 4:30 AM, Gerard Meijssen > > <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> Hoi, > >> Such separate hostings and ownership would not be that much of a risk to > >> the WMF. The challenges will be first and foremost with the separatists; > >> then again it is firmly their choice. There will be benefits on both > sides > >> as well. The community that remains with the WMF will lose all of the > >> separatists and they will sadly see some of them go. It will allow for > the > >> influx of new people and new ideas. The people that go will get a > reality > >> check; they will find out to what extend the things they fought battles > >> over are actually worth it. I am sure that both communities will > benefit. > >> > >> When the people who talk about going their own way rethink their stance > and > >> start considering the other side of the coin it may lead to an > equilibrium. > >> However, the Visual Editor is not the only thing that will change the > look > >> and feel there is so much more happening and at that, a single community > >> only considering its own is in effect a cul de sac. > >> > >> When numbers of readers are to be our main worry, it should be obvious > by > >> now that both for editing and reading they are happening on the mobile, > the > >> tablet. This is were our new readers are happening. Maybe not > necessarily > >> in Europe but certainly in the global south. They have by definition a > >> different mode of operandi and consequently much of our current > bickering > >> is only distracting from putting our efforts in welcoming our newbies > and > >> building a full fledged environment for them. > >> Thanks, > >> GerardM > > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>