On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can start by asking around in your own circle of aquaintance, and I'll > bet that such research will make you quickly realize that hard stats will > be very hard to discover, since in my circle, most of the women I know are > married and though their household contains a desktop, the desktop is owned > and operated by their husband, not them. I use (primarily) my carbon-fiber beast of a desktop, with my wife using primarily a laptop. The use of "desktop" to (presumably) refer to laptops is very confusing here, and would make accurate data gathering more difficult, not less. We both use a tablet and/or phone, but only when away from the real machines or for very quick stuff. Doing real work on a tablet/phone is a pain in the ass, not just on Wikipedia but for anything. If I have a decent amount of text to type, I'll take a real keyboard and two monitors, not one "keyboard" taking up half of a 4" screen, thanks very much. I can't even imagine trying to make a significant edit to an article on a phone, no matter how good we make the interface. Even in a visual editor, articles require the entry of a lot of text, not the Facebook-style "I'm here, having a great time!" That's a usage pattern that's very common with couples in my experience. It's apparently not in yours. That's why the plural of anecdote is not evidence. > In any official questionaire > served to them however, they are probably asked whether their household has > one, not whether they themselves are the primary user of one. > Why would they be? If we're trying to determine use patterns, it's silly to ask about the simple presence of something, but that's easy to fix. "What device do you primarily use when accessing the Internet?" (Alternatively, or as a followup, "What type of device do you routinely use to access the Internet? Check all that apply.") [ ] A desktop computer [ ] A laptop or notebook computer [ ] A tablet or smartphone Not that hard to design a question that addresses the user directly, by not just access to a given device but actual use of it. If we need that data, we ought to actually gather it. > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 28 August 2014 12:56, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I agree with Gerard, and would add that a good portion of the new > > readers and "missing female editors" do not own or operate a desktop and > > are only available on mobile and tablet, so this is not only where the > new > > readers are, but also where the "first edit" experience is for most women > > (and sadly, a corollary to that is that they don't try again after their > > first edit failure). > > mechanics of how this would work. We could do it, but reforming WMF is > > > > Every year we see many expensive surveys and funded research on women > > and Wikipedia, so presumably there are some verifiable statistics to > > support Jane's assertion that a significant difference between readers > > of Wikipedia is that men are significantly more likely to own or have > > access to a desktop compared to women that they might edit from. > > > > Can someone provide a link to the research that demonstrates this is > > more than apocryphal? > > > > Thanks, > > Fae > > -- > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
