I should explain that I am a resident of the Netherlands, where we have a central statistics bureau which includes census statistics that you can query for free and download your own datasets in xls format. As a data analyst I have spent lots of time gathering such data and reporting on it in Microsoft Excel, which is still my tool of choice. I frequently read news stories about published reports that misinterpret data and I sometimes will check the cited data against published open data sources. I base my conclusions on that experience as well as my personal experience. It may also be helpful to explain that many of my friends are or were stay-at-home moms. I agree that most of the questions served in public surveys do not seem to be formulated by data analysts.
I am proud to say that after a rocky start I can finally edit Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons on my iPad, but I couldn't tell you what I did to set it up. I have successfully uploaded several photos with my android app to Wiki Loves Monuments. I do know that I tried to make an edit on someone else's iPhone this week and was stopped short by the mobile interface. On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 6:55 AM, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > You can start by asking around in your own circle of aquaintance, and > I'll > > bet that such research will make you quickly realize that hard stats will > > be very hard to discover, since in my circle, most of the women I know > are > > married and though their household contains a desktop, the desktop is > owned > > and operated by their husband, not them. > > > I use (primarily) my carbon-fiber beast of a desktop, with my wife using > primarily a laptop. The use of "desktop" to (presumably) refer to laptops > is very confusing here, and would make accurate data gathering more > difficult, not less. > > We both use a tablet and/or phone, but only when away from the real > machines or for very quick stuff. Doing real work on a tablet/phone is a > pain in the ass, not just on Wikipedia but for anything. If I have a decent > amount of text to type, I'll take a real keyboard and two monitors, not one > "keyboard" taking up half of a 4" screen, thanks very much. I can't even > imagine trying to make a significant edit to an article on a phone, no > matter how good we make the interface. Even in a visual editor, articles > require the entry of a lot of text, not the Facebook-style "I'm here, > having a great time!" > > That's a usage pattern that's very common with couples in my experience. > It's apparently not in yours. That's why the plural of anecdote is not > evidence. > > > > > In any official questionaire > > served to them however, they are probably asked whether their household > has > > one, not whether they themselves are the primary user of one. > > > > Why would they be? If we're trying to determine use patterns, it's silly to > ask about the simple presence of something, but that's easy to fix. > > "What device do you primarily use when accessing the Internet?" > (Alternatively, or as a followup, "What type of device do you routinely use > to access the Internet? Check all that apply.") > > [ ] A desktop computer > [ ] A laptop or notebook computer > [ ] A tablet or smartphone > > Not that hard to design a question that addresses the user directly, by not > just access to a given device but actual use of it. If we need that data, > we ought to actually gather it. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 8:29 AM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 28 August 2014 12:56, Jane Darnell <jane...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I agree with Gerard, and would add that a good portion of the new > > > readers and "missing female editors" do not own or operate a desktop > and > > > are only available on mobile and tablet, so this is not only where the > > new > > > readers are, but also where the "first edit" experience is for most > women > > > (and sadly, a corollary to that is that they don't try again after > their > > > first edit failure). > > > mechanics of how this would work. We could do it, but reforming WMF is > > > > > > Every year we see many expensive surveys and funded research on women > > > and Wikipedia, so presumably there are some verifiable statistics to > > > support Jane's assertion that a significant difference between readers > > > of Wikipedia is that men are significantly more likely to own or have > > > access to a desktop compared to women that they might edit from. > > > > > > Can someone provide a link to the research that demonstrates this is > > > more than apocryphal? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Fae > > > -- > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
