I hope that's not the feature Philippe meant, but maybe. For my clients and students I think it's generally caused more confusion than it's solved, since now they have an additional layer of bureaucracy to navigate (AFC). Is there any data suggesting that's been a net improvement for new users?
Pete On Sep 1, 2014 4:38 PM, "Risker" <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Wasn't the creation of the DRAFT namespace at least in part a response to > concerns raised at ACTRIAL, in particular new, poorly developed articles > showing up in mainspace? > > Risker/Anne > > > On 1 September 2014 19:08, Joe Decker <joedec...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > This, to the best of my knowledge, represents the entirety of the WMF's > > response to ACTRIAL. To the extent that there was additional feedback > > given, it was not given at WP:ACTRIAL, nor any other venue I am aware of. > > > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208 > > > > --Joe > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > That's the issue I cited above. You haven't heard more complaints, > > because > > > the complaint was pointless the first time and took a massive effort to > > > produce. > > > > > > The underlying issue isn't fixed. We're still drowning in crap and spam > > > from people who never have the slightest intent of editing helpfully, > and > > > those who are newbies who genuinely want to help but need guidance get > > > caught in the crossfire aimed at the vandals and spammers. It is > > relatively > > > rare that when a genuinely new editor's first edit is a creation, it is > > the > > > creation of an appropriate article on a workable subject, and that's > > > normally more by dumb luck than them having actual knowledge that they > > > should do it. > > > > > > So, consider that a complaint. The proposed fix didn't work, and most > > > people at the time didn't figure it would work, but it was clearly the > > best > > > we were going to get. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Philippe Beaudette < > > > pbeaude...@wikimedia.org > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > That's contradicted by, among other things, ACTRIAL as mentioned > > above. > > > > The > > > > > en.wp community came to a clear consensus for a major change, and > the > > > WMF > > > > > shrugged and said "Nah, rather not." > > > > > > > > That's... Not exactly what I remember happening there. What I > remember > > > was > > > > that a pretty good number (~500) of enwiki community members came > > > together > > > > and agreed on a problem, and one plan for how to fix it and asked > the > > > WMF > > > > to implement it. The WMF evaluated it, and saw a threat to a basic > > > project > > > > value. WMF then asked "what's the problem you're actually trying to > > > > solve?", and proposed and built a set of tools to directly address > that > > > > problem without compromising the core value of openness. And it seems > > to > > > > have worked out pretty well because I haven't heard a ton of > complaints > > > > about that problem since. > > > > > > > > ______________________ > > > > Philippe Beaudette > > > > Director, Community Advocacy > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Joe Decker > > www.joedecker.net > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
