Wasn't the creation of the DRAFT namespace at least in part a response to concerns raised at ACTRIAL, in particular new, poorly developed articles showing up in mainspace?
Risker/Anne On 1 September 2014 19:08, Joe Decker <joedec...@gmail.com> wrote: > This, to the best of my knowledge, represents the entirety of the WMF's > response to ACTRIAL. To the extent that there was additional feedback > given, it was not given at WP:ACTRIAL, nor any other venue I am aware of. > > https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=30208 > > --Joe > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > That's the issue I cited above. You haven't heard more complaints, > because > > the complaint was pointless the first time and took a massive effort to > > produce. > > > > The underlying issue isn't fixed. We're still drowning in crap and spam > > from people who never have the slightest intent of editing helpfully, and > > those who are newbies who genuinely want to help but need guidance get > > caught in the crossfire aimed at the vandals and spammers. It is > relatively > > rare that when a genuinely new editor's first edit is a creation, it is > the > > creation of an appropriate article on a workable subject, and that's > > normally more by dumb luck than them having actual knowledge that they > > should do it. > > > > So, consider that a complaint. The proposed fix didn't work, and most > > people at the time didn't figure it would work, but it was clearly the > best > > we were going to get. > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Philippe Beaudette < > > pbeaude...@wikimedia.org > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Todd Allen <toddmal...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > That's contradicted by, among other things, ACTRIAL as mentioned > above. > > > The > > > > en.wp community came to a clear consensus for a major change, and the > > WMF > > > > shrugged and said "Nah, rather not." > > > > > > That's... Not exactly what I remember happening there. What I remember > > was > > > that a pretty good number (~500) of enwiki community members came > > together > > > and agreed on a problem, and one plan for how to fix it and asked the > > WMF > > > to implement it. The WMF evaluated it, and saw a threat to a basic > > project > > > value. WMF then asked "what's the problem you're actually trying to > > > solve?", and proposed and built a set of tools to directly address that > > > problem without compromising the core value of openness. And it seems > to > > > have worked out pretty well because I haven't heard a ton of complaints > > > about that problem since. > > > > > > ______________________ > > > Philippe Beaudette > > > Director, Community Advocacy > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > Joe Decker > www.joedecker.net > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
