For everyone here: I've asked our Grantmaking team to comment and clarify the details of this plan.
On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 9:32 AM, Lodewijk <lodew...@effeietsanders.org> wrote: > Answering to Teemu and Chris: > > I do think that the for Wiki Loves Monuments and Wiki Loves Art it is safe > to claim that if we organize it the way we would always do, it would still > tip the gender balance in our community a little more to the female side. > However, I disagree that this should be a main consideration, because I > think that would be true for so many outreach projects. Focusing on that > would be a pity and a distraction imho. Also, for most participants we > don't know the gender, and we don't want to know the gender (because asking > for it alone can scare people away) - except for a sample of them, who > happen to answer the survey afterwards. All data on that is quite shaky. > > If necessary, I could easily make a case why WLM is a wonderful gendergap > project - the point is that I don't want volunteers to waste their time on > making such cases, but rather let them be innovative, come up with new > ideas instead of rebranding existing ideas on something like the gendergap. > My problems are more fundamental than 'I can't get money for my specific > project'. > > So Chris: yes, these people do a lot for reducing the gender gap in our > projects. Also, Wikimedia organizers tend to hop between projects - their > next might be more focused on a topic that is popular with women, if their > current idea isn't yet. Drawing them into a topic in a positive way (what > we do is cool! Join us!) tends to be more successful than telling them they > are not allowed to do other stuff (we won't fund you at all unless you do > this specific theme). > > Prioritisation sounds great, but that only works that way if you have one > clearly defined pool of resources, that you can actually control. What do > you think is the major bottle neck in organizing activities in the > Wikimedia movement? In my experience, that is not money, or even WMF staff > capacity (even though it is a limiting factor sometimes), but the primary > bottle neck is volunteer organizers (or editors). And volunteer time is not > a resource you can easily 'control'. If you want to influence it, the most > effective way is by persuading the volunteers why another angle is more > interesting, more fun, more effective. > > Best, > Lodewijk > > > > On Sat, Jan 3, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingw...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Like Bence, I would be interested to see how this kind of experiment in > WMF > > grantmaking works out. And also like him I would be a little surprised if > > something like this is implemented with no notice period. > > > > A couple of responses to Lodewijk's post; > > > > > > > with people > > > confirming my fear that this will likely undermine the community > support > > > (or at least support by the 'organizing community') for > gendergap-related > > > projects in general - be it out of frustration, compensation or > jealousy. > > > > > > Out of interest, were any of these people doing anything at all to > support > > the reduction of the gender gap in the first place? ;) > > > > > > > > > I > > > called it a 'negative campaign' in my emails because the focus is not > > about > > > actively boosting one type of requests (which is the claim), but rather > > > about making it harder to do something unrelated to it in the hope that > > > people instead will choose for the easy way, and organize a gendergap > > > related event. > > > > > > > Equally, if you have limited resources, prioritising one thing means > > reducing attention to something else. So saying "we shouldn't work on the > > gender gap if anything else gets less atention as a result" is logically > > equivalent to saying "We shouldn't work on the gender gap". > > > > Regards, > > > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
