Hoi,
With Wikipedia Zero people have access to knowledge that they would not
have otherwise. It is well established that having information readily
available is an important indicator for further development. Not having
Wikipedia available is absolutely a worse situation than having it.
Your argument is imho a bleeding heart stance. Would it not be better if..
My answer is sure HOWEVER given that the objective of Wikipedia is to share
in the sum of all knowledge, your argument is decidedly secondary. Sources
may be important but they are secondary to having the information available
in the first place. As long as we have sources in full blown Wikipedia, as
long as it is WMF that provides the Wikipedia Zero content... what is your
point. Yes, ideally we want people to ensure that people know about
sources. When sources are just statements of fact and they are in turn not
accessible because of cost. What is your point in practical terms?
Wikipedia Zero is very much a fulfillment of our aspirations. Do not forget
who you are: white, privileged and well educated. What you propose is
taking away something that you take for granted. Not nice.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 30 March 2015 at 20:37, Andreas Kolbe <jayen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The recent Newsweek story on the Wifione / IIPM admin corruption case[1]
> has clear implications for Wikipedia Zero.
>
> Wikipedia Zero creates hundreds of millions of passive Wikipedia users who:
>
> - Cannot see the sources of a Wikipedia article (I believe SMS users cannot
> even see which statements *are* sourced and to what)
> - Cannot view alternative sources
> - Cannot meaningfully edit Wikipedia (lacking access to new sources)
>
> At the same time, Wikipedia Zero creates a monopoly position for Wikipedia
> that makes the site an even greater target for manipulation by local
> elites, who *do* enjoy full read/write access to Wikipedia. Such monopolies
> are fundamentally incompatible with the values underlying the idea of a
> free and open web. Monopolies ultimately result in *control* rather than
> *freedom* of information.
>
> The Wifione case illustrates that even in the English Wikipedia attempts at
> manipulation, focused on topics that the average Wikipedia contributor has
> little interest in or knowledge about, can be successful and remain
> undetected for years. Small, regional-language Wikipedias are far more
> unstable still, as the example of the Croatian Wikipedia demonstrated all
> too clearly.
>
> Wikipedia is far too vulnerable to become the gatekeeper for information in
> developing countries -- if such a gatekeeper were even desirable (which it
> is not).
>
> To give another example, I see that Wikipedia Zero is available in
> Kazakhstan.
>
> Jimmy Wales recently asserted on Reddit that the Kazakh government "does
> not control the Kazahk *[sic]* Wikipedia".[2]
>
> The Kazakh government, however, seems to disagree with Jimmy Wales.[3]
>
> The Kazakh Prime Minister's official website has stated since 2011 that the
> Kazakh Wikipedia project "is implemented under the auspices of the
> Government of Kazakhstan and with the support of Prime Minister Karim
> Massimov", quoting the head of WikiBilim and 2011 Wikipedian of the Year,
> who today holds the office of a Deputy Governor in the Kazakh government[4]
> and is the Founding Director of a Brussels-based think tank, the "Eurasian
> Council on Foreign Affairs", which is widely considered a PR front of the
> Kazakh government.[5][6][7]
>
> Is aiding the market dominance and penetration of such a source through
> Wikipedia Zero in line with movement values? Is the type of collaboration
> described on Wikimedia's Outreach page for Kazakhstan?[8] I don't think so.
>
> I thought we were on the side of those fighting for freedom of speech, not
> the side of those suppressing it.
>
> It's a concrete example of Wikipedia Zero aiding an oppressive government
> in the control of information -- not at some point in the future, but
> today.
>
> For a thoughtful examination of the issues surrounding Wikipedia Zero, I'd
> ask everyone to take 5 minutes of their time to listen to the presentation
> Thomas Lohninger gave at the Chaos Communication Congress in December 2014,
> "Net Neutrality: Days of Future Past?"[9] Time code 37:00 onward.
>
> I would be glad to see the Wikimedia Foundation rejoin the ranks of those
> fighting for freedom of speech, and a free and open web for all.
>
>
> [1]
>
> http://www.newsweek.com/2015/04/03/manipulating-wikipedia-promote-bogus-business-school-316133.html
> [2] https://archive.today/nyt1z – for the entire discussion three, see
> https://archive.today/V1uG4
> [3] https://archive.today/7kSLO
> [4] http://www.inform.kz/eng/article/2730173
> [5]
>
> http://www.silkroadreporters.com/2015/02/20/jack-straw-slammed-taking-job-kazakhstan/
> [6]
>
> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/jack-straw-criticised-for-accepting-parttime-job-paid-for-by-kazakhstan-10057426.html
> [7] http://www.equaltimes.org/pr-firms-at-the-service-of-human
> [8] https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/Countries/Kazakhstan
> https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Education/Countries/Kazakhstan
> [9]
>
> http://media.ccc.de/browse/congress/2014/31c3_-_6170_-_en_-_saal_g_-_201412282145_-_net_neutrality_days_of_future_past_-_rejo_zenger_-_thomas_lohninger.html
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 12:15 AM, Jens Best <best.j...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well,
> >
> >
> > first of all, welcome Kourosh.
> >
> > I'm looking forward to see how the reality of this exciting job
> description
> > gonna look like. For me this also sounds like a clear move to a more
> > politically positioned understanding of this aspect of the growing
> > importance of the Wikimedia-Movment globally. "Advancement Department"
> > sounds pretty neutral, but certainly it isn't at all.
> >
> > When it comes to "collaboration with like-minded organizations" decisions
> > surely are also carried by a stronger public postioning of the values of
> > the movement. Some of the decisions in the past, especially when it comes
> > to collaborations with commercial internet players maybe need to be
> openly
> > and transparently re-evaluated.
> >
> > If Kourosh is settled in I would like to see a global, transparent and
> open
> > discussion about our program "Wikipedia Zero" which is under global
> critic
> > by OpenWeb-NGOs and other worried members of the civil society in the US,
> > in the "Global South" and in Europe.
> >
> > Wikipedia Zero which for me is a straight marketing element of some
> clever
> > telecoms to sell their mobile products in developing markets and
> therefore
> > infusing an user-experience of data-specific payment habits, needs to be
> > re-evaluated with a professional look that includes awareness of what
> > implications strategic partnerships can have on our core values.
> >
> > The well-meant intentions which carried the Wikipedia Zero programme
> inside
> > WMF to the point where it is now maybe were a little starry-eyed. Let's
> not
> > forget that a zero-rated Wikipedia which can't connect to the linked
> > knowledge of the world is just a *Walled Wikipedia *and therefore a
> > questionable contribution to our core belief of giving free knowledge to
> > the people - by the people.
> >
> > The intensity with which the global fight about net neutrality is lead
> > because of the commercial interests of the telecoms surely doesn't stop
> at
> > the markets of the Global South - therefore Wikimedia movement has to
> make
> > perfectly clear which line is walked on this central matter of a free and
> > open internet.
> >
> > You see, Kourosh, the challenges are big and I'm looking forward to have
> an
> > experienced person overlooking the future developments in this field.
> >
> >
> > best regards and a good start
> >
> > Jens Best
> >
> >
> >
> > 2015-03-27 21:13 GMT+01:00 Lila Tretikov <l...@wikimedia.org>:
> >
> > > Dear Wikimedians,
> > >
> > > In order to encourage the expansion of knowledge, we’ve been
> considering
> > > new ways to support and develop the work you do. Collaboration is an
> > > essential part of the Wikimedia movement, and today, I’m excited to let
> > you
> > > know about a new addition at the Wikimedia Foundation that will support
> > our
> > > collaboration with like-minded organizations.
> > >
> > > For some time now, we’ve planned to hire a Vice President of Strategic
> > > Partnerships. Today, I am pleased to announce that Kourosh Karimkhany
> > will
> > > step into this role on March 30, 2015.
> > >
> > > Kourosh will be responsible for crafting a strategy to grow long-term
> > value
> > > for Wikimedia projects through building meaningful partnerships,
> > projects,
> > > and relationships on behalf of the Wikimedia Foundation. He will become
> > > part of the C-level team and will report to Lisa Gruwell. Kourosh will
> > also
> > > oversee Wikipedia Zero, which will transition to the partnerships team.
> > >
> > > The Wikimedia community has many fruitful and creative partnerships
> that
> > > help support knowledge creation and sharing around the world. The
> > > partnerships Kourosh will support will will help us better support
> these
> > > partnerships and your work, as well as grow strategic initiatives we
> take
> > > on at the WMF.
> > >
> > > Kourosh was born in Iran and moved to the U.S. as a child with his
> > family.
> > > Today, he is an experienced digital media professional with a passion
> for
> > > sharing information with the world. He started his career as a
> technology
> > > journalist covering Silicon Valley for Bloomberg, Reuters and Wired. He
> > > switched to the business side of media when he joined Yahoo as senior
> > > producer of Yahoo News. Later, he led corporate development at Conde
> Nast
> > > where he spearheaded the acquisition of Wired.com, Ars Technica and
> > Reddit.
> > > He also cofounded Food Republic in 2009, which was acquired in 2013.
> He's
> > > an active angel investor and startup advisor.
> > >
> > > In light of the expanded scope of the Fundraising team and the revamped
> > > partnerships team, we’re changing the team's name to better reflect
> their
> > > mission. The new name is the Advancement Department. To learn more
> about
> > > the new role, visit the FAQ here:
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Partnerships_FAQ
> > >
> > > Please join me in welcoming Kourosh as the newest member of the WMF
> > > leadership team. We have many exciting projects in 2015 and I’m looking
> > > forward to all the great things we will accomplish as we work together
> to
> > > support our mission.
> > >
> > > ~~~~Lila
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