Hoi,
I think I understand how much time is wasted replicating the same thing
over and over again. When we know specific facts for instance an old
president of the Sierra Leone dies, all articles about him have to change.
When new demographics of Almere become known, all articles are to change.
Adding information to Wikidata should be trivially easy on a smartphone.
This has been proven by "The Game". When it is that easy to add
information, the information can be updated in lists, in info boxes and
alerts may be generated to modify the text where needed. You will often
find that there is little to write when all the list, categories, info
boxes are already updated.
The consequence is that people who want to write articles may continue
doing this. They do what they like best but at the same time we can do with
fewer text junkies. The fun thing is that experience has learned us that
when information becomes more complete we will attract more people anyway.
It is just that all information does not need to be typed in manually all
the time, everywhere ad nauseam.
With more people adding data that is used everywhere, the problem of
sourcing becomes easier as well. Because a source is a source <grin> and
every language has its bias </grin> but that is a different issue. One
solace, we should always compare Wikidata data with other external sources.
In this way we will also get some/more grip on what sources to trust. :)
Thanks,
GerardM
On 22 June 2015 at 23:46, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gerard, I think you may be missing the point of the NYT op-ed. The issue
> isn't data, it's people who will use that data (whether it comes from
> structured data sets like Wikidata, or from dead-tree or electronic media)
> to create articles, curate them, maintain them, keep the various wikipedias
> mostly spam-free, and develop communities around them. We're not lacking
> in data. We're lacking in human beings and healthy, growing communities.
>
> On the other hand, I'm not entirely certain that Andrew's concerns about
> the use of smartphones as the primary mode of access is entirely
> justified. We've known for a long time that many of our editors in Asian
> countries edit using smartphones, often with a keyboard attached; we've
> even featured them in videos. But realistically, the overwhelming majority
> of Wikipedia *readers* have never considered, even for a moment, actively
> participating in editing - and it has been that way pretty much since at
> least 2005, and maybe earlier. We can do better, of course, and making it
> easier to edit on tablets in particular is a worthwhile enterprise
> (smartphones...well, I'm not even persuaded they're going to exist five
> years from now in the way that we know them today...)
>
> Risker/Anne
>
> On 22 June 2015 at 13:41, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > Magnus pointed the way forward when he started MediaWiki. When you look
> > into the whole stack of his data related tools, you will find how they
> make
> > aggregating data a whole lot easier and worthwhile. He demonstrated how
> > people on a mobile can be asked to help with "simple" tasks it works well
> > and it continues to work in production (labs willing).
> >
> > When you are talking micro contributions, every statement in Wikidata is
> > one. It can easily be done from a mobile when the UI is given attention.
> It
> > is known how to create articles from data. The Swedes, Dutch etc have
> done
> > it often enough and it brought them more readers and more editors...
> >
> > Study what we already know. There is nothing new here and the solutions
> are
> > there to be had. We only have to accept them. I do agree that the old
> old
> > way of Wikipedia is ultimately a dead end.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > On 22 June 2015 at 19:28, James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What we need to figure out is how to allow translation of articles
> > > through micro contributions via cellphones.
> > >
> > > Maybe send out sentences one by one for translation from one language
> > > to another. Just start with the leads of articles that are deemed to
> > > be of good quality. Than when the lead is all translated join it back
> > > together and add it to that language. This would of course only apply
> > > to articles which are non existent in the target language.
> > >
> > > Maybe Amir's "content translation" tool could do this eventually
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Content_translation
> > >
> > > --
> > > James Heilman
> > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
> > >
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> > > My emails; however, do not represent the official position of the WMF
> > >
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