I do question why some members from the community should be involved in chapter/affiliates issues. If affiliates want to communicate with each other, without interference from individual users, they had no way to do such until this list was created.
And there is no transparency reduction. The suggestion that with creating this list the transparency is reduced is an illusion. If affiliates want to communicate with only affiliates, they will found another way to do that without doing that publicly, and that is much less transparent. Earlier on the chapters mailing list it appeared there is a enough support for a closed list. Wikimedia is a large movement. In that movement a lot of things are done and a various set of tasks are performed. Each of those people doing the same tasks like to be able to communicate with other people doing the same task(s). To communicate effectively e-mail lists are created. For example, also Wikipedia admins have multiple private mailing lists, arbcom, OTRS, Stewards, etc. They all have sensitive data, but they also just like to be able to share experiences, ask questions with people who do the same tasks, and have some basic level of communication. This communication is essential for doing a task and improving the quality in how this task is executed. This communication will happen anyway. But they are two ways to organise that: organised in a closed mailing list or not organised with people communicate only directly with excluding many relevant people. No, there is not a new another walled garden, it is just a better organised walled garden that exists already for a long time in other forms. Romaine 2015-10-19 19:10 GMT+02:00 Ed Erhart <the.e...@gmail.com>: > I too question the need for a private mailing list. We should require more > than a just a "consistent request" before we reduce transparency and create > yet another walled garden away from the community. > > --Ed > On Oct 16, 2015 12:07 AM, "Pine W" <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Got it. Thanks Varnent. > > > > Regarding the privacy question: I'm sort of thinking that if we really > want > > to keep the new list private for legal or other reasons, it should be run > > outside of WMF servers like the chapters list is. On the other hand, if > the > > purpose of the new list is to facilitate discussion among affiliates in a > > smaller and less public group while still being open to WMF employees to > a > > limited degree, then the hosting proposed here makes sense. Personally, I > > get the sense that the affiliate and WMF relationships have generally > > (there are exceptions) warmed a bit over the past couple of years as > > affiliate governance and leadership have evolved and as WMF's evaluation > > capacity has improved, so I'm fine with the new design. Thanks for > working > > on this. > > > > Pine > > On Oct 15, 2015 8:55 PM, "Gregory Varnum" <gregory.var...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Hey Pine, > > > > > > As you know, AffCom started looking into this list after some > discussions > > > with affiliates in Berlin, Wikimania, and at that page you referred to. > > We > > > did talk with that list’s moderators about potentially reusing that > list > > > (largely why the creation of this list took awhile). However, > ultimately, > > > we decided to proceed with the creation of this list. > > > > > > The old list is not on Wikimedia servers or officially connected to > > > AffCom, so I cannot speak to its future. However, it has becoming > > > increasingly inactive, is limited to chapters (so excludes a majority > of > > > our affiliates), and not something we have promoted recently. My > personal > > > hope is that this new broader list replaces that one over time, but > that > > is > > > not something we can “force” as it’s not a resource we officially help > > > manage. > > > > > > -greg (User:Varnent) > > > Vice Chair, Affiliations Committee > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 15, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi Carlos, > > > > > > > > Can you clarify how this list relates to the existing chapters > mailing > > > > list? (Also, please see the discussion at > > > > > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Affiliates_Network#Mailing_list_request_for_comment > > > > ). > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Pine > > > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 2:04 PM, Carlos M. Colina < > > > ma...@wikimedia.org.ve> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > >> Dear all, > > > >> > > > >> On behalf of the Affiliations Committe, I am pleased to introduce > the > > > >> launch of the Wikimedia Affiliates mailing list, which is basically > a > > > place > > > >> for all the affiliates (chapters, thematic organizations, user > groups) > > > to > > > >> discuss issues related to affiliates, make announcements to other > > > >> affiliates, and collaborate on activities and community-wide events. > > The > > > >> idea is to help facilitate the dialogue affiliates across our > > movement, > > > >> plus collaborative discussions like community-wide activities, joint > > > >> edit-a-thons, regional conferences, blog/report posts, or other > > > >> communications from affiliates. > > > >> > > > >> Each Wikimedia movement affiliate is allocated three spots on the > > > mailing > > > >> list. All affiliates may contact the Affiliations Committee to > request > > > >> additional spots if needed. > > > >> > > > >> Please find a bit more information on Meta: > > > >> > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/Affiliates_mailing_list > > > >> and do not hesitate contacting us if you have further questions. > > > >> > > > >> Regards, > > > >> Carlos > > > >> -- > > > >> "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee > > wayuukanairua > > > >> junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya > > junain." > > > >> Carlos M. Colina > > > >> Socio, A.C. 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