Hoi,
What is your intention, to be "right" at all cost?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 8 February 2016 at 00:04, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The fact that someone is not paid *by WMF* to edit does not mean that they
> are a volunteer. That would be like saying that a newspaper salesperson
> standing at the door of a grocery store is a volunteer because he is not
> paid by the grocer and instead paid by the newspaper. As with paid
> contributors to Wikipedia, the newspaper salesperson's presence at the door
> of the grocery store may or
> may not be in compliance with the policies of the grocery store.
>
> Agreed that perfect neutrality is difficult, but we try to achieve
> neutrality through the wisdom of the crowds and avoiding undue weight. We
> have a policy on neutrality; we don't have a policy that forbids all paid
> editing, and in some cases I feel that paid editors who are honest about
> their affiliations and compensation can be net positives on Wikipedia.
>
> Pine
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Thyge <ltl.pri...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 2016-02-07 19:10 GMT+01:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > A marketing slogan that I'd like WMF to banish is that Wikipedia is
> 100%
> > > written by volunteers. That's simply false.
> >
> >
> > I find that point of view entirely wrong. The WMF does not pay anybody to
> > edit, so editors are volunteers. I might follow the same line of
> reasoning
> > and say, that Wikipedia is not neutral, because people are allowed to
> write
> > about their own country/city etc.
> >
> > Contributors make a living from other sources. Anybody could have some
> > affiliation other than getting paid and total neutrality is hard to come
> > by.
> >
> > Thyge
> >
> > 2016-02-07 19:10 GMT+01:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
> >
> > > A marketing slogan that I'd like WMF to banish is that Wikipedia is
> 100%
> > > written by volunteers. That's simply false. Wikipedia is written by
> > > individuals with a mix of motives, and for some people those motives
> > > include financial compensation.
> > >
> > > Diverging a little into the topic of paid contributions: generally I
> feel
> > > that *disclosed* paid editing is ok so long as it's done in a manner
> > that's
> > > compliant with our policies. For example, a museum staffer who publicly
> > > discloses their affiliation and writes on Wikipedia about a fossil that
> > the
> > > museum has in its collection may be a net positive writer for the
> > > encyclopedia. On the other hand, a someone who's a POV-pusher for a
> > > political interest, whether paid or unpaid, may be a net negative for
> the
> > > encyclopedia.
> > >
> > > In any case, Wikipedia is only partially written by volunteers, and
> > public
> > > communications from WMF should be consistent with this reality.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 1:58 AM, rupert THURNER <
> rupert.thur...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > lol .... This is why “Nonprofit: The Musical” will have, as one of
> its
> > > > characters, a consultant robot, whose only job is to repeat exactly
> > > > what an internal staff or board member says; the difference is that
> > > > the robot actually gets listened to.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I think that a number of us may appreciate this article,
> specifically
> > > > > people who are involved with Wikimedia affiliates, grant
> committees,
> > > and
> > > > > WMF Community Engagement including CR and PC&L.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://nonprofitwithballs.com/2015/06/9-annoying-nonprofit-trends-that-need-to-die/
> > > > >
> > > > > Pine
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