Hoi,
It would be a travesty when a "Wikipedian in residence" is paid only to
write articles. In my honest opinion, I doubt that they have much time to
write themselves. This whole negativity that this thread is part of
indicates how sick the "community" is because it is not the "community", it
is people who think that their values are the community...
No reason why, there are maybe a few hundred of them in this way... if at
all.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 8 February 2016 at 01:09, Gnangarra <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Some Wikipedians in Residence also get paid for their work, saying
> "Wikipedia is written by volunteers" is honest and doesnt have the puffary
> of 100%. As a community we are working to create more activities, projects
> and partnerships with GLAM where the people participating are being paid to
> edit as part of their employment so yeah 100% is no longer an honest
> declaration even if its just few 100 people out the 70,000 plus that
> contribute every month
>
> On 8 February 2016 at 07:10, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > What is your intention, to be "right" at all cost?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > On 8 February 2016 at 00:04, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > The fact that someone is not paid *by WMF* to edit does not mean that
> > they
> > > are a volunteer. That would be like saying that a newspaper salesperson
> > > standing at the door of a grocery store is a volunteer because he is
> not
> > > paid by the grocer and instead paid by the newspaper. As with paid
> > > contributors to Wikipedia, the newspaper salesperson's presence at the
> > door
> > > of the grocery store may or
> > > may not be in compliance with the policies of the grocery store.
> > >
> > > Agreed that perfect neutrality is difficult, but we try to achieve
> > > neutrality through the wisdom of the crowds and avoiding undue weight.
> We
> > > have a policy on neutrality; we don't have a policy that forbids all
> paid
> > > editing, and in some cases I feel that paid editors who are honest
> about
> > > their affiliations and compensation can be net positives on Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > Pine
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:17 PM, Thyge <ltl.pri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > 2016-02-07 19:10 GMT+01:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > A marketing slogan that I'd like WMF to banish is that Wikipedia is
> > > 100%
> > > > > written by volunteers. That's simply false.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I find that point of view entirely wrong. The WMF does not pay
> anybody
> > to
> > > > edit, so editors are volunteers. I might follow the same line of
> > > reasoning
> > > > and say, that Wikipedia is not neutral, because people are allowed to
> > > write
> > > > about their own country/city etc.
> > > >
> > > > Contributors make a living from other sources. Anybody could have
> some
> > > > affiliation other than getting paid and total neutrality is hard to
> > come
> > > > by.
> > > >
> > > > Thyge
> > > >
> > > > 2016-02-07 19:10 GMT+01:00 Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > A marketing slogan that I'd like WMF to banish is that Wikipedia is
> > > 100%
> > > > > written by volunteers. That's simply false. Wikipedia is written by
> > > > > individuals with a mix of motives, and for some people those
> motives
> > > > > include financial compensation.
> > > > >
> > > > > Diverging a little into the topic of paid contributions: generally
> I
> > > feel
> > > > > that *disclosed* paid editing is ok so long as it's done in a
> manner
> > > > that's
> > > > > compliant with our policies. For example, a museum staffer who
> > publicly
> > > > > discloses their affiliation and writes on Wikipedia about a fossil
> > that
> > > > the
> > > > > museum has in its collection may be a net positive writer for the
> > > > > encyclopedia. On the other hand, a someone who's a POV-pusher for a
> > > > > political interest, whether paid or unpaid, may be a net negative
> for
> > > the
> > > > > encyclopedia.
> > > > >
> > > > > In any case, Wikipedia is only partially written by volunteers, and
> > > > public
> > > > > communications from WMF should be consistent with this reality.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pine
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 1:58 AM, rupert THURNER <
> > > rupert.thur...@gmail.com
> > > > >
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > lol .... This is why “Nonprofit: The Musical” will have, as one
> of
> > > its
> > > > > > characters, a consultant robot, whose only job is to repeat
> exactly
> > > > > > what an internal staff or board member says; the difference is
> that
> > > > > > the robot actually gets listened to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sat, Feb 6, 2016 at 8:59 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > I think that a number of us may appreciate this article,
> > > specifically
> > > > > > > people who are involved with Wikimedia affiliates, grant
> > > committees,
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > WMF Community Engagement including CR and PC&L.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://nonprofitwithballs.com/2015/06/9-annoying-nonprofit-trends-that-need-to-die/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pine
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