Hoi, Credibility like quality is a two edged sword. When the suggestion is that we lose credibility, the question is to whom and also is that not exactly the point. When we take a stance or when we do not take a stance it has consequences.
The huha with no banner for Bassel has cost our community because it has proven that we do not care about our own. Thanks, GerardM On 7 February 2017 at 00:37, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > To stay short and in addition of Seddon said: The more the Wikimedia > movement/WMF chooses to pick a side by using a banner above all projects > (like Wikipedia) - calling yes/no for a strike is taking a side - the more > it can loose credibility. For the same reason as we do not want > advertisements, we do not want to take any sides, because that can directly > damage Wikipedia as being neutral, as well as being independent, and more. > Therefore banners for advocacy are not done. > > The only exception of having advocacy banners is in some exceptional cases > where all other efforts where insufficient, and the specific legislation > would have with implementation a direct influence on the key principles of > Wikipedia (or other Wikimedia project). Even in such cases there need to be > a local team that is completely informed about the situation, that is in > direct communication with the legal department of WMF, with a common > understanding between them, with a clear timeline, community approval (!) > and even then we need to be as neutral as possible, not calling for action > but informing why something would directly influence Wikipedia (etc). > > > > > 2017-02-05 21:29 GMT+01:00 Bill Takatoshi <billtakato...@gmail.com>: > > > In the past two days I've been four off-list messages in response to > > my request for proposed banner language, all but one from James > > Salsman, who I recently defended here and who was subsequently "placed > > on moderation." I asked moderator Richard Ames whether it would be > > appropriate to forward his messages, and he said they should be sent > > to the moderation queue. James then sent me a BCC of a very brief post > > yesterday, which apparently has not yet been approved. James then sent > > me, but not the list, arguments about the merits of the various > > alternatives. I don't agree with the censorship, but in deference to > > the moderator I am sending these links without James's commentary: > > > > http://i.imgur.com/3Fb8Zrr.png > > > > http://www.cosmopolitan.com/politics/a8671628/national- > > strike-protest-president-donald-trump/ > > > > https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/5s6ay6/activists_call_for_a_ > > nationwide_strike_in_protest/ddctj1h/ > > > > https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/ > > 31/wheres-the-best-place-to-resist-trump-at-work/ > > > > https://www.thenation.com/article/throw-sand-in-the-gears-of-everything/ > > > > Another respondent who asked that I not use their name suggested that > > an effective campaign can be patterned after this recent success: > > > > http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/progressive- > > activism-forces-uber-ceo-break-trump > > > > Could we please have banner text proposals do NOT call for a general > > strike? I am not suggesting it be ruled out, nor am I suggesting that > > we not join the call. I am simply asking for discussion in the middle > > ground. > > > > -Will > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>