I tend to think that we stay away from writing about Wikipedia topics in Wikipedia too much, but I agree with the notability concerns - hence why I've started the page in user space rather than article space. If notability is proven (which isn't just a factor of how much money the endowment has), then perhaps it can be moved to article space. It's still an interesting/useful way of summarising the available info about the endowment, I think (at least for myself).
Thanks, Mike P.S. to be clear, I'm not a paid editor! > On 14 Feb 2017, at 01:18, Risker <risker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > What Vito said. The Wikimedia Foundation Endowment is *not* notable, and > in fact if a similar article had been written about a similar non-Wikimedia > related endowment, I'd be busy trying to figure out who the paid editor was > who was creating such an article. Because, yes, that draft is precisely > what I'd expect to see from a paid editor. That it's being written by an > experienced and well-respected Wikimedian doesn't mean it's a notable > endowment. Once it gets to USD 100 million, then we can start talking > about whether or not it deserves an article. > > This entire thread is a serious symptom of the self-referencing and > parochialism that many outsiders see within our community. The circular > argument that, since someone has something to do with a "board" of > Wikimedia, they must by definition be notable is pretty seriously > problematic. *We* think Wikimedia is important, but really there are very, > very few past or present Wikimedia board members who are notable outside of > a very small circle. We're really not that big or important of a charity. > And there isn't a person participating in this thread who is unaware of the > real harms that have come as a result of the publishing of biographical > information of notable-only-on-Wikipedia people. Please stop doing this. > > Risker/Anne > > > > On 13 February 2017 at 19:43, Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I find all of these to be deeply non relevant. Though they might be >> relevant according to standard en.wiki practice, I wonder whatever someone >> would had written a line about a to-be-created relatively small endowment >> of a website(s) or people managing it, unless it was "our" website(s). >> >> Also I disagree with Wikipedia doing something similar to investigative >> journalism (above all for "internal" usage) rather than being a "simple" >> encyclopedia. >> >> Vito >> >> 2017-02-14 1:31 GMT+01:00 Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net>: >> >>> Not quite what you were after, Fæ, but I've started a draft of an enwp >>> article on the endowment at: >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimedia_Endowment < >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mike_Peel/Wikimedia_Endowment> >>> If anyone else wants to help write this, then please edit away! >>> >>> I'm concerned that Nielsen is being referred to as a 'permanent member' >> of >>> the board - doesn't the advisory board have terms? Also, will we be >> seeing >>> community members being appointed (or elected) to this board at some >> point? >>> >>> BTW, the Wikimedia blog doesn't provide much information to the autofill >>> references function on enwp! Also, we only seem to have freely-licensed >>> images of Jimmy, and none of the rest of the advisory board - can >> something >>> be done about that? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Mike >>> >>>> On 13 Feb 2017, at 18:57, Anna Stillwell <astillw...@wikimedia.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> The second link you offered, Fae, is the wrong Niels Christian Nielsen. >>>> /a >>>> >>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 12:11 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> +1 on the request for links to all the past meeting agendas and >>>>> publicly published minutes. I will be very interested to read any >>>>> declarations of conflicts of interest. The board is intended to >>>>> eventually control $100,000,000, so should be seen to be applying >>>>> absolutely the most transparent and well governed processes. >>>>> >>>>> I am surprised to discover that anyone that has served as the chairman >>>>> of 12 companies and "has advised governments in Scandinavia, Spain, >>>>> Portugal, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, the US, Canada, and Turkey" >>>>> does not have a Wikipedia article, at least I have yet to find one. >>>>> >>>>> Could someone work on creating one please? It would be great to read a >>>>> profile that has all the nuts & bolts, rather than written with PR in >>>>> mind. No doubt the blog post [1] and staff profiles at the University >>>>> of California Berkeley and the Copenhagen Business School [2] should >>>>> be reliable enough starting point for Wikipedia. >>>>> >>>>> Links: >>>>> 1. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian- >>>>> nielsen-endowment-board >>>>> 2. http://www.cbs.dk/en/research/departments-and-centres/ >>>>> department-of-finance/staff/ncnfi >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Fae >>>>> >>>>> On 13 February 2017 at 19:54, James Salsman <jsals...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>>>>> Regarding >>>>>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2017/02/13/niels-christian- >>>>> nielsen-endowment-board/ >>>>>> >>>>>> What have the funds of the organizations Nielsen manages returned? >> Have >>>>>> they matched the returns of commercial endowment-grade mutual funds? >> I >>>>>> refer to my comments here: >>>>>> >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2016- >>>>> December/085694.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Has the Endowment Advisory Board met yet? If so, where are its >> minutes? >>>>> If >>>>>> not, when will it meet and where will the agenda and minutes be >>>>> published? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>>>> wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l >> , >>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "If you have knowledge, let others light their candles in it." - >> Margaret >>>> Fuller >>>> >>>> Anna Stillwell >>>> Chargée d’Affaires / VP >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> 415.806.1536 >>>> *www.wikimediafoundation.org <http://www.wikimediafoundation.org>* >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> wiki/Wikimedia-l >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >>> wiki/Wikimedia-l >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
