Thanks for raising the different language problems. I'm aware of it, though I only edit in English.
Last weekend I was much enlightened by sitting down with a German trans contributor, who was showing me the system language problems on the German Wikipedia, and together we started having fun comparing trans related policies and trans related article numbers. I was amazed at the difference. No, that's not enough, I was really shocked that the second largest Wikipedia that I deeply respect, is a community that apparently has little appetite or any active discussion on these LGBT+ issues. In comparison the English Wikipedia feels like a vibrant and creative garden of Eden to me as an LGBT+ contributor. By forging ahead, at least on Wikimedia Commons[1] and attempting the same on the English Wikipedia[2], we hope to set a healthy example for what is possible, and lay down the challenge to other projects to be truly welcoming and feel encouraging for trans and genderqueer readers and editors, rather than just saying that we are. Language may be very limiting, sure, let's accept that fact of life. It's both interesting and difficult. But it's not unimaginable that our Wikimedia movement could end up adopting leading edge new non-gendered terms in multiple languages for simple words like "user" and "administrator" that currently are unnecessarily gendered. We could even show willing by taking baby steps like just empowering our users to set their own preferred pronoun style, like Ve or Mx, which is entirely possible right now, today, in the MediaWiki software. Ignoring these options, or even joking about them, is to pretend that genderqueer people don't exist. Yes, please flag up the issues, let's discuss the challenges. No, I simply do not accept that by we are asking for the impossible on any of our projects, I never shall accept it. Links: 1. Wikimedia Commons, new draft policy created today, because of these discussions: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Use_of_gender_neutral_language 2. Drafting a new English Wikipedia RFC, because of these discussions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#Research_for_proposing_a_gender_neutral_principle_for_Wikipedia_policies_and_guidelines Thanks, Fae On 6 April 2017 at 21:49, John Erling Blad <jeb...@gmail.com> wrote: > There are a lot of languages where there are no neutral gender, or where > there are a single male gender, or it can even be that the only neutral > gender is used for things and animals. > > In German there is an expectation of gender-correct form. In Norwegian > there is an expectation of a neutral form. In Danish there is only > masculine forms. > > Sorry but this idea is not generally usable. > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Raymond Leonard < > raymond.f.leonard...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> One can use "one" or "one's" to substitute in many places for 3rd person >> singular pronouns. Not everywhere, but it is in keeping with English >> grammar. >> >> Peaceray >> >> On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 10:35 AM, J. <j.blackm...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Instead of: >> > * A photographer has to be given credit when the picture is used. >> > How about: >> > * The artist must be given attribution when an image is reused. >> > >> > Cheers! Wayne Calhoon (AKA Checkingfax) >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ >> wiki/Wikimedia-l >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae Personal and confidential, please do not circulate or re-quote. _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
