Hi Rogol, thanks for your interest. I do not understand your reading
of my words. However when I wrote "the restrictions are
shockingly obvious cases of copyfraud" or "apparent ignorance over
copyright", neither can be interpreted as an accusation of fraudulent
conduct by anyone. If there is confusion about the word, I suggest
reading the Wikipedia article, it's quite interesting.[1]

As for a reasoned case, I found the board level approved words on the
official website, describing why the British Museum exists (see my
original email), to be adequate enough to expect that their policies
and their implementation of policy must avoid copyfraud in any
circumstances. I'm not going to write an essay about something this
obvious, nor do I expect to have to doublethink myself into giving
positive reasons for a notice on an ancient artefact that claims it is
under copyright, just to potentially make a few middle-managers in the
administration of the two museums involved feel good about themselves.
They are probably paid well enough not to worry about my plain words,
or my simple-minded approach, failing to be politically diplomatic.

As previously stated, I'd be only too happy for the BM or the THM to
get in touch. I'm even happy to have a chat over the phone as part of
taking steps to ensure that this exhibition is fixed, and cannot
reoccur in the display of future loans.

Links
1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyfraud

Thanks,
Fae
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On 28 Jul 2017 19:09, "Rogol Domedonfors" <domedonf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fae,
>
> I do know some people at the BM but I'm not going to waste their or my time
> on claims that start off by accusing them of "fraudlent" conduct and finish
> with demands that they immediately reverse their policies, just because you
> say so.  If you were able to put together a reasoned case which showed that
> you were aware of the positive and negative sides of their and your
> positions, I might reconsider -- but to be honest, I'm not going to.
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The Tullie House Museum in Carlisle has a number of objects on loan
> > from the British Museum,[3] and it appears that it is only those
> > objects that have any restrictions on photography. I took photographs
> > of two of these (without any flash), as the restrictions are
> > shockingly obvious cases of copyfraud, and not for any reason that
> > might protect the works from damage.[1][2] It seems incomprehensible
> > as to why the British Museum would ever want to make copyright claims
> > over ~2,000 year old works especially considering they are not a
> > money-making commercial enterprise, but a National institute and
> > charity, with a stated objective[4] that "the collection should be put
> > to public use and be freely accessible".
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas for action, or contacts in the Museum, that
> > might result in a change of how loans from the BM are controlled? I'm
> > wondering if the most effective way forward is to make some social
> > media fuss, to ensure the Trustees of the museum pay attention. The
> > reputational risk the apparent ignorance over copyright by the BM
> > loans management team seems something that would be easy to correct,
> > so changes to policy are overdue. My own experience of polite private
> > letters to a Museum's lawyer demonstrates that you may as well save
> > hours of volunteer time by filing these in the bin, compared to the
> > sometimes highly effective use of a few pointed tweets written in a
> > few minutes and shared publicly and widely across social media.
> >
> > Those of us Wikimedians who work closely with GLAMs tend to shy away
> > from any controversy, wanting the organizations to move towards
> > sharing our open knowledge goals for positive reasons. I'm happy to
> > try those types of collegiate ways of partnering, however drawing a
> > few lines in the sand by highlighting embarrassing case studies, might
> > mean we make timely progress while activist dinosaurs like me are
> > still alive to see it happen.
> >
> > Links
> > 1. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Museum_2nd_
> > century_bronze_jug,_with_copyfraud_notice.jpg
> > 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Museum_
> > Fortuna_statue,_with_copyfraud_notice.jpg
> > 3. Tullie House, Roman Frontier exhibition:
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20161030151228/www.tulliehouse.co.uk/galleries-
> > collections/galleries/roman-frontier-gallery
> > 4. British Museum "about us":
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20170714042800/www.britishmuseum.org/about_us/
> > management/about_us.aspx
> > 5. Commons village pump discussion:
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#
> > British_Museum_and_blatant_copyfraud
> >
> > Contacts
> > * https://twitter.com/britishmuseum
> > * https://twitter.com/TullieHouse
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Fae
> > --
> > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae

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