For what it's worth - and this might explain some people's circumstances: I see many fundraising banners each year, even though I'm logged in, but the reason I see them is because I've clicked on a Wikipedia article link while using a third-party website (e.g. from Facebook, or twitter). In those cases when I land on the wikipedia article i'm still within the 'mini-broswer' of facebook etc and the fundraising banner system can not know that I'm logged in on my primary browser. This happen equally on my desktop and then also on my mobile phone.
So, while it is true that the WMF is not showing banners to logged in people, it is equally true that I see a lot of banners (when I've clicked on wikipedia links from within other websites/platforms). No one is lying - it's just we're talking about what we mean by 'logged in' differently. This does not explain every possible circumstance, for every person, for why people in this thread are saying that they see banners even though they're logged in. But it is one explanation of a common situation that might explain things for some people. Hope that helps, -Liam / Wittylama wittylama.com Peace, love & metadata On 12 September 2017 at 18:41, Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > Hey David & Romaine, > > I wanted to just give a quick reply to let you know that I am looking into > this further. > > I will reiterate that WMF fundraising does not and has not actively shown > fundraising banners to logged in users for the past five years and I do > apologise if you've been disrupted in your work whether through human or > technical error. > > The possible causes for this are numerous and it will take time to identify > the scale, cause and solution to this. > > Regards > Seddon > > On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 11:38 AM, Romaine Wiki <romaine.w...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I am sorry to say but I am constantly logged in and do see fundraising > > banners every year. > > > > Each time when it was announced fundraising banners would come, I have > seen > > them logged in, in multiple countries. > > > > Romaine > > > > > > Op dinsdag 5 september 2017 heeft Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org> > > het > > volgende geschreven: > > > > > Hey Strainu, > > > > > > You are probably right in that you saw a banner but regarding > > specifically > > > fundraising banners, I am 100% certain that the WMF does not and has > not > > > for some years actively shown banners to users who are logged in. The > > > caveat with that is this does not preclude any possibility of human > error > > > or a software bug. I'm not aware of any specific occasion where this > has > > > occurred in the last two years but with a piece of software that serves > > > billions of page views, across 20-30 countries and some probably some > > 3000 > > > banner tests during that period, probabilities that something hadn't > gone > > > wrong start reaching levels of sigma that not even I would attempt to > > claim > > > :P > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Seddon > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Strainu <strain...@gmail.com > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > Changing subject, the other thread is about something totally > > different. > > > > > > > > 2017-09-05 14:38 GMT+03:00 Joseph Seddon <jsed...@wikimedia.org > > > <javascript:;>>: > > > > > WMF hasn't shown fundraising banners to logged in users for several > > > > years. > > > > > > > > While I wouldn't bet my life on it, I'm pretty sure I saw banners on > > > > mobile just last month, while being logged in. > > > > > > > > Strainu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Seddon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5 Sep 2017 08:33, "Lodewijk" <lodew...@effeietsanders.org > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> Hey Ori, > > > > >> > > > > >> I like the creative thinking :) For the fundraising that could > > indeed > > > > work > > > > >> well (although I have no numbers on what percentage of domations > > comes > > > > from > > > > >> logged in users etc), but there are also campaigns tht are quite > > > > relevant > > > > >> for logged in users. > > > > >> > > > > >> Lodewijk > > > > >> > > > > >> On Sun, Sep 3, 2017 at 7:16 PM, Ori Livneh <ori.liv...@gmail.com > > > <javascript:;>> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >> > On Sep 3, 2017 13:02, "David Gerard" <dger...@gmail.com > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > On 2 September 2017 at 02:09, Michael Peel <em...@mikepeel.net > > > <javascript:;>> > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > This is possibly the most annoying feature of the Wikimedia > > > > projects at > > > > >> > the moment. You access a page. Then you start reading or editing > > it. > > > > And > > > > >> > then suddenly the page jumps when a fundraising banner / central > > > > notice / > > > > >> > gadget / beta feature loads. So you have to start reading the > page > > > > again, > > > > >> > or you have to find where you were editing again, or you have to > > > undo > > > > the > > > > >> > change you just made since you made it in the wrong part of the > > > page. > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Or you click "edit" and it hits the banner that suddenly popped > up > > > > >> > under your click. AAAAAAAAAAAA > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > One possible solution would be to exempt anyone who edits an > > article > > > > from > > > > >> > being shown a banner by means of a cookie with a suitable > expiry. > > > > Since > > > > >> > only a tiny fraction of visitors edit, I would expect the impact > > on > > > > the > > > > >> > WMF's bottom line to be negligible. > > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > > > >> > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > >> > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > >> > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > >> > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > >> > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > , > > > > >> > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > >> > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > >> wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > >> wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > , > > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/ > mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Seddon > > > > > > *Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* > > > *Wikimedia Foundation* > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org <javascript:;> > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > -- > Seddon > > *Advancement Associate (Community Engagement)* > *Wikimedia Foundation* > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
