Can I suggest to all parties that, as was the case last time this came up here, raking this conflict over the coals here on a mailing list where very few of us have direct knowledge of the situation, or the power to do anything about it in any case, is probably not helpful for anyone? I am especially uncomfortable at the notion of the discussion of people's HR records and personal lives in a public forum such as this.
Cheers, Craig On 24 November 2017 at 06:23, Xavier Combelle <xavier.combe...@gmail.com> wrote: > Emeric, > > When you say, that no sanction has filed his HR record, you are half or > completely lying. > The existence of a "rappel à l'ordre" (warning) > is an argument which can support fire someone of the staff so it should > be in a HR record. > > In the same way Sylvain never said he is writing his email on behalf of > an union of the employees of Wikimedia France > but that he is the representative of the the employees of Wikimedia > France which is plenty true. > > From the whole wikimedia france, movement, during the #wmfrgate, it was > only you Emeric and the old direction as a whole > that your declaration don't match the facts or your subsequent > declaration, as it it happened during the #bandeaugate in summer last year. > > I have still to see the said "lies" from your opponent which contradicts > other public information (apart the words of you and the old direction) > > Xavier Combelle > > Le 23/11/2017 à 20:54, Emeric Vallespi a écrit : > > Sylvain, > > > > I have to answer to your email where you’re especially lying. > > You say that you’re writing on behalf of a union section of the > employees of Wikimedia France but I’m personally curious to know the weight > of this union section. My question is actually: who else is represented by > your email, if not yourself? > > > > Moreover, you’re saying that you received a « warning » (?) because you > had a girlfriend. Is it serious? > > Your employer asked you to distinguish professional time and personal > time. Indeed, you were reminded that you had to dedicate your work hours to > the missions that were devoted to you and not to solve problems related to > your personal life, especially if it interferes with organization’s > activities and governance. It is also you who came, on your own, to tell us > about the complexity of your personal and relationship situation in order > to benefit of professional arrangements. The direction never looked for, > nor asked, any information on this subject. > > > > You’re mentioning the cancellation of the letter. Since, to my > knowledge, no sanction has been filed to your HR record, I do not really > see what have been canceled. > > I can understand that supporting your new board of trustees, involved in > the governance issues and in the criminal complaints filed is critical to > show your loyalty. > > > > Do you know how impatient am I to discover your next fable? I guess the > only one never mentioned yet is maybe about a murder or something (although > a streetfight scenario has already been invented x’D). > > > > I think it was important to re-explain all those points so that the > community, which is - again - unnecessarily taken as witness, is not > deceived by a scenario built from scratch. > > Again, to discredit the movement by such erroneous but public > accusations still shows that only personal interests and vainness matter in > this conflict with some people. > > > > For months, several lies have been told by different people. Because the > Wikimedia community protect itself and its members by harassing and > defaming people who question the probity and integrity of some of its > members doesn’t make of this lies the truth. > > > > Best regards to all of you, > > -- > > Emeric Vallespi > > > >> On 22 Nov 2017, at 13:37, Sylvain Boissel <sylvain.bois...@wikimedia.fr> > wrote: > >> > >> Hi Katherine, > >> > >> 2017-10-19 23:19 GMT+02:00 Katherine Maher <kma...@wikimedia.org>: > >> > >>> [...] > >>> We are committed to working with the new Wikimédia France conseil > >>> d’administration (governing board) to support the French community as > they > >>> work to address and resolve these and other outstanding issues. The > >>> Wikimedia Foundation and the new leadership of Wikimédia France are > already > >>> cooperating to address the governance-related concerns raised by the > >>> volunteer Funds Dissemination Committee in the first half of 2017. As > part > >>> of this work, we have encouraged them to review how they will > independently > >>> handle claims of harassment in the future. The Wikimedia Foundation and > >>> Wikimédia France share a common goal: a healthy, welcoming, respectful, > >>> inclusive Wikimedia community in France. > >>> > >>> I know I am not alone in my dismay for how these events have unfolded. > Many > >>> dedicated, good-faith members of the French community, including > current > >>> community members and present and former Wikimédia France board and > staff > >>> members, have experienced distress and anxiety over recent months. > Those > >>> outside of the community have watched with dismay as our peers and > friends > >>> have found themselves disoriented, distressed, alienated, or at odds > with > >>> one another. And yet we also know that many in France now feel a > renewed > >>> sense of purpose for building the healthy and welcoming community we > all > >>> desire. > >> As the representative of the local branch of the labor union > >> ASSO-Solidaires at Wikimédia France, I wanted to thank you and the WMF > >> staff members who took part in the site visit in Paris in July (namely > >> Katy Love, Winifred Olliff, Stephen Laporte and James Baldwin) for > hearing > >> the distress of the staff members at a time when Wikimédia France's > board > >> plainly refused to discuss with the staff. > >> > >> I also wanted to confirm that things are getting better with the new > board > >> elected in September. > >> > >> I cannot speak about what my coworkers went through without asking them > >> first, but I can share an example from my own story: in February, I was > >> issued a « rappel à l'ordre » (warning) by the former direction and > >> board, accusing > >> me of disloyalty to the chapter because I had a girlfriend. It was > >> cancelled this month by the new board, and this is a huge relief to me. > >> > >> Best regards, > >> Sylvain. > >> > >> -- > >> *Sylvain Boissel* > >> Délégué du personnel et Responsable de la section syndicale > ASSO-Solidaires > >> *WIKIMÉDIA FRANCE* > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimediaemail@example.com > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimediafirstname.lastname@example.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>