This episode exposes a policy of Commons that may be unknown to many folks - the precautionary principle.
It is an explicit exception to assuming good faith, so I noted this on the AGF page on Commons. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Commons:Assume_good_faith&oldid=prev&diff=349650525 On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 10:23 AM Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga < galder...@hotmail.com> wrote: > As I am the author of the post, some remarks: > > * Commons is, indeed, the only [cloud] storage for file in most of the > Wikipedias. Making an accusation of using Commons as a storage place is > unfair and nonsense. > * Communication could be better, of course, but we don't have to think > on experienced editors and wikimedians, but on people we are trying to > convince to upload to the Commons and find this burden. They don't know how > to communicate and why they must do it. > * The upload system allow you to upload something if you are the > author. Period. > * Claiming that something is a derivative work without saying which is > the original work is not a good practice. > * Of course, commons volunteers are few, and they have a great > job-queue. But outreach volunteers are less, and a project like this can > take a whole year of volunteer work. > * After all the victim-blaming seen on this discussion no one was able > to point to a page where the procedure was clear for everyone. > > Let's hope we can follow with this project next year and we will have less > problems. > > Cheers > > Galder > ________________________________ > From: Wikimedia-l <wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org> on behalf of > Vi to <vituzzu.w...@gmail.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 12, 2019 3:35 PM > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Dispute between Common and Outreach > > I wonder wheter local sysops could be allowed to delete/undelete images on > commons in order to reduce workload. Most risky commons' uploads come from > cw-upload, allow local sysops to handle them could work. > > Vito > > Il giorno dom 12 mag 2019 alle ore 15:31 James Heilman <jmh...@gmail.com> > ha scritto: > > > It is hard to get the admin bit there aswell. Is Commons interested in > > having more admins? > > > > James > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 5:41 AM Fæ <fae...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > A couple of years ago a proposed project was for the WMF to pay for > > > access to the Google image matching API access so we could run a > > > copyvio bot on the live new uploads list. Such a bot would not be > > > terribly hard to get working, and would be a great experiment to see > > > if this aspect of the more boring side of sysop tools could be > > > reduced.[1] > > > > > > Not specifically advocating auto-deletion, but daily housekeeping > > > image matches to highly likely copyrighted categories would make mass > > > housekeeping very easy. > > > > > > A separate old chestnut was my proposal to introduce systemic image > > > hashes, which neatly show "close" image matches.[2] With a Commons hat > > > on, such a project would be of far more immediate pragmatic use than > > > mobile-related and structured data-related projects that seem to suck > > > up all the oxygen and volunteer time available. > > > > > > Note that the history of these project/funding ideas is so long, that > > > several of the most experienced long term volunteers that were > > > originally interested have since retired. Without some positive short > > > term encouragement, not only do these ideas never reach the useful > > > experiment stage, but the volunteers involved simply fade away. > > > > > > Links > > > 1. > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump/Archive/2016/02#Google_has_opened_an_API_for_image_recognition > > > 2. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae/Imagehash > > > > > > Fae > > > > > > On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 12:21, Amir Sarabadani <ladsgr...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > IMO commons need either a Clue Bot NG for new uploads or ores support > > for > > > > images that might be copyright violation, or both. > > > > > > > > Best > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:10 PM Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Just the active community itself is too small, compared with the > > > amount of > > > > > material it has to deal with. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers > > > > > Yaroslav > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2019 at 1:07 PM Benjamin Ikuta < > > > benjaminik...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is the shortage of admins due to a lack of people willing or > > capable > > > to > > > > > do > > > > > > the job, or increasing difficulty in obtaining the bit? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On May 12, 2019, at 3:55 AM, Tomasz Ganicz <polime...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, Actually, at the moment it looks they are all undeleted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The good habit - which I was keeping when organizing several > > > > > GLAM-related > > > > > > > mass uploads - was to create on Commons project page describing > > > what it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > intended to be uploaded, preferably in English. Then you can > > > create a > > > > > > > project template to mark all uploads with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Partnerships > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Despite practical issue of avoiding unnecessary clashes with > > > Common's > > > > > > > admins - creating template and project page helps to promote > you > > > > > project > > > > > > > across Wikimedia communities and may inspire others to do > > something > > > > > > similar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Commons is indeed quite hostile environment for uploaders, but > on > > > the > > > > > > other > > > > > > > hand it is constantly flooded by hundreds of copyright > violating > > > > > files a > > > > > > > day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See the list from just one day: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/2019/05/01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so this hostility works both ways - Common's admins have to > cope > > > with > > > > > > > aggressive hostile copyright violators every day, and after > some > > > time - > > > > > > > decide to leave or became being hostile themselves... and the > > other > > > > > issue > > > > > > > is decreasing number of active admins and OTRS agents. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think - sooner or later - all this system - uploads - > screening > > > > > uploads > > > > > > > by admins, and OTRS agreements - needs deep rethinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > niedz., 12 maj 2019 o 10:48 Mister Thrapostibongles < > > > > > > > thrapostibong...@gmail.com> napisał(a): > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello all, > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> There seems to be a dispute between the Outreach and the > Commons > > > > > > components > > > > > > >> of The Community, judging by the article "Wikimedia Commons: a > > > highly > > > > > > >> hostile place for multimedia students contributions" at the > > > Education > > > > > > >> Newsletter > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Education/News/April_2019/Wikimedia_Commons:_a_highly_hostile_place_for_multimedia_students_contributions > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> As far as I can understand it, some students on an Outreach > > > project > > > > > > >> uploaded some rather well-made video material, and comeone on > > > Commons > > > > > > >> deleted them because they appeared to well-made to be student > > > projects > > > > > > and > > > > > > >> so concluded they were copyright violations. But some rather > > odd > > > > > > remarks > > > > > > >> were made "Commons has to fight the endless stream of uploaded > > > > > > copyrighted > > > > > > >> content on behalf of a headquarters in San Francisco that > > doesn't > > > > > care." > > > > > > >> and > > > > > > >> "you have regarded Commons as little more than free cloud > > storage > > > for > > > > > > >> images you intend to use on Wikipedia ". > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Perhaps the Foundation needs to resolve this dispute? > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> Thrapostibongles > > > > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > > > > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > >> Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > > > > > , > > > > > > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz > > > > > > > http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek > > > > > > > http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > Unsubscribe: > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Amir (he/him) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > fae...@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > > > > > > > -- > > James Heilman > > MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> -- -Andrew Lih Author of The Wikipedia Revolution US National Archives Citizen Archivist of the Year (2016) Knight Foundation grant recipient - 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