I left a message, please write you too so we can stop this (I listen only to 
channels that will say that I’m right lalalalaalalla… this seems the behavior 
of WMF):
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review/results#RFC

Regards,


Ferdinando





On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 PM , Andrew Lih wrote:
> Folks, it's not clear this email thread is going to register at all as
> feedback for this process.
>  
> The only recognized feedback mechanisms according to the original mail are
> the following:
>  
> 1. Wikimedia Space group - https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/g/brand-network
> Currently 13 members
>  
> 2.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review
> No new conversations
>  
> 3.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review/results
> A dialogue that has been started to discuss the problems of the KPIs and
> metrics.
>  
> I'd highly suggest if you want to make your feedback count, you go to these
> venues.
>  
> -Andrew
>  
>  
>  
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:32 PM Ferdinando Traversa<ferdi.trave...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>  
> > It’ll be a very very important RFC. More than elections, it’s about all
> > global identity.
> > CentralNotice is appropriate.
> >  
> > Ferdinando
> >  
> > > Il giorno 7 set 2019, alle ore 22:06, David Gerard<dger...@gmail.com>
> > ha scritto:
> > >  
> > > I concur, it sounds sensible.
> > >  
> > > (I'll note, I'm not actually against the name change proposal - but
> > > it's got to be presented to the community properly.)
> > >  
> > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 20:50, Kiril Simeonovski
> > > <kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >  
> > > > HI David,
> > > >  
> > > > Yes, it stands to reason to announce on all wikis in a similar way as
> > the
> > > > announcements about board or steward elections.
> > > >  
> > > > Best,
> > > > Kiril
> > > >  
> > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 9:46 PM David Gerard<dger...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > >  
> > > > > On all wikis?
> > > > >  
> > > > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 19:19, Yaroslav Blanter<ymb...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Right.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > I guess a central notice about an RfC would be appropriate.
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > Yaroslav
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:16 PM Kiril Simeonovski<
> > > > > > kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Hi all,
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > It seems like there is a clear consensus to open an RfC on Meta 
> > > > > > > about
> > > > > this,
> > > > > > > so we can safely move forward with it and close this thread.
> > > > > Otherwise, we
> > > > > > > will most likely keep up boggling our minds with the 20-per-cent
> > > > > metric and
> > > > > > > endlessly discuss how unfortunate is this for the global community
> > > > > when the
> > > > > > > only rational thing we can do is take action and save everyone's
> > time.
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Do you have any concluding remarks or comments regarding the RfC?
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > Kiril
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 7:57 PM Ferdinando Traversa<
> > > > > > > ferdi.trave...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > I’m against and sincerly I don’t trust this datas (80% agrees? 
> > > > > > > > Are
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > kidding me? I’ve seen the meta discussion). I think a Meta CLEAR
> > > > > VOTE as
> > > > > > > > suggested here is the best way. Imposing a change like this is a
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > > > > decision.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > Regards.
> > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Il giorno 6 set 2019, alle ore 05:49, Zack McCune<
> > > > > > > zmcc...@wikimedia.org>
> > > > > > > > ha scritto:
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > *Summary* - We want your help with a voluntary, OPT-IN design
> > > > > process
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > movement branding. Please join the in-depth discussion group, 
> > > > > > > > > or
> > > > > watch
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > updates on Meta-Wiki.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > After 4 months of community consultation, spanning dozens of
> > > > > > > affiliates,
> > > > > > > > > several mailing lists, community conferences, and Meta-Wiki, 
> > > > > > > > > I am
> > > > > > > pleased
> > > > > > > > > to share a summary of feedback on the proposed 2030 movement 
> > > > > > > > > brand
> > > > > > > > strategy
> > > > > > > > > [1].
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > From more than 319 comments, representing 150 individual
> > > > > contributors
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > 63 affiliates, we assessed 6 major themes in feedback:
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > 1.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Reducing confusion
> > > > > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Protecting reputation
> > > > > > > > > 3.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Supporting sister projects
> > > > > > > > > 4.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Addressing (legal, governmental) risks
> > > > > > > > > 5.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Supporting movement growth
> > > > > > > > > 6.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > The process of change
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Please visit our feedback summary page to learn more [2]. You 
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > examples of comments within each section, along with a rough
> > > > > indication
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > how many of the comments that we received were related to each
> > > > > theme.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > The comments sometimes contradict one another, showing that 
> > > > > > > > > across
> > > > > our
> > > > > > > > wide
> > > > > > > > > movement’s experience, different points of view are common 
> > > > > > > > > (and a
> > > > > sign
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > health!). To visualize these tensions, we have created 
> > > > > > > > > “polarity
> > > > > maps”
> > > > > > > > > which are used to help visualize how different arguments 
> > > > > > > > > coexist in
> > > > > > > > tension
> > > > > > > > > with each other.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Ultimately, the comments provided from you all are very 
> > > > > > > > > thoughtful
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > useful guidance on what is needed to make our movement’s 
> > > > > > > > > branding
> > > > > > > > > successful. One can read the 6 themes above as “criteria” for
> > > > > assessing
> > > > > > > > > branding systems.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > == Thanks ==
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > I would like to thank the organizers of Iberoconf, Wikipedia
> > > > > Education
> > > > > > > > > Summit, and the Wikimedia Summit for inviting us to hold
> > > > > discussions
> > > > > > > > during
> > > > > > > > > their sessions. I would also like to thank my colleagues Elena
> > > > > Lappen,
> > > > > > > > > Samir Elsharbaty, and Blanca Flores who conducted extensive 
> > > > > > > > > parts
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > consultation. To the hundreds of people, and dozens of 
> > > > > > > > > affiliates
> > > > > > > > > commenting, thank you for reviewing the proposal and offering 
> > > > > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > perspectives and insights.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > == Next steps and staying involved ==
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > There is considerable support for the brand proposal and 
> > > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > appetite
> > > > > > > > > to improve our movement’s branding system. Further, we 
> > > > > > > > > believe that
> > > > > > > > > critical feedback on the proposal offers direct guidance for
> > > > > precisely
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > branding must do to be successful for our movement. We have 
> > > > > > > > > shared
> > > > > > > these
> > > > > > > > > insights and our proposed continuance with the Board of 
> > > > > > > > > Trustees,
> > > > > who
> > > > > > > > > approved continuing these efforts.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Acting on community insights, we will be collaborating on 
> > > > > > > > > formal
> > > > > brand
> > > > > > > > > naming, visual identity, and brand system design that will use
> > > > > > > > “Wikipedia”
> > > > > > > > > as the central reference point. The resulting system will be
> > > > > OPT-IN for
> > > > > > > > > affiliates.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > This design process will be guided by a “brand network” – a 
> > > > > > > > > group
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > volunteers who would like to continue advising on brand 
> > > > > > > > > during this
> > > > > > > > > consultation. Dozens of people have already volunteered, and 
> > > > > > > > > we
> > > > > invite
> > > > > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > to join the group. We will use a group on Wikimedia Space to 
> > > > > > > > > host
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > discussion and the group will be closed to allow candid
> > > > > discussions and
> > > > > > > > > room for iterations. EVERYONE IS INVITED TO JOIN [3]. If you 
> > > > > > > > > do not
> > > > > > > want
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > commit to the in-depth, longer term discussions that will be
> > > > > happening
> > > > > > > > > within the brand network group, we will still be tracking 
> > > > > > > > > comments
> > > > > left
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the project’s Meta-Wiki page [4]. Furthermore, all important 
> > > > > > > > > ideas
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > updates originating from the brand network discussion will be
> > > > > shared
> > > > > > > > > publicly to mailing lists and Meta-Wiki.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > The development of this proposed identity system will take
> > > > > > > approximately
> > > > > > > > 6
> > > > > > > > > months. As stated, regular updates will be shared to mailing 
> > > > > > > > > lists,
> > > > > > > > > Wikimedia Space, and Meta-Wiki [4]. Please engage us where 
> > > > > > > > > you are
> > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > comfortable! Once complete, community groups will have the 
> > > > > > > > > power to
> > > > > > > > decide
> > > > > > > > > if/when they opt in to using the new system.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Yours,
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Zack
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > [1]
> > https://wikimediafoundation.org/news/2019/02/26/leading-with-wikipedia-a-brand-proposal-for-2030/
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > [2]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review/results
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > [3] https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/g/brand-network and 
> > > > > > > > > click
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > gray
> > > > > > > > > "Request" button. When your request is approved, you will be 
> > > > > > > > > able
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > see
> > > > > > > > > and access the brand network discussion category on the 
> > > > > > > > > Discuss
> > > > > Space
> > > > > > > > main
> > > > > > > > > page.
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > [4]
> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Zack McCune (he/him)
> > > > > > > > >  
> > > > > > > > > Director of Brand
> > > > > > > > >  
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