Hoi,
How will you cope in other languages, other scripts. Is engaging all over
the world NOT in English a consideration>
Thanks,
       GerardM

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 05:34, Zack McCune <zmcc...@wikimedia.org> wrote:

> Hi Tito -
>
> Your observation is fair and welcome. The project team will update the
> timeline on Meta-Wiki to reflect the latest rescheduling and our relaunched
> consultations.
>
> The priority is on completing the collaborative design activities of the
> project (naming, design, and style guides) in time for the birthday in
> January. The process of adoption will follow the completion of this work,
> so it too will be adjusted in the timeline.
>
> The project team is working to keep this timeline as accurate as we can
> amidst much global uncertainty, so I want to be the first to acknowledge
> that timing will likely remain at the monthly estimate level and may
> further change.
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Zack
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:59 PM Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > With kind permission, I would like to further explain my question (in
> case
> > it was unclear, and kindly assume good faith):
> > The resolution (linked above and at [1]) states that "the Board affirms
> its
> > support for the brand project and its strategic importance for the
> > movement, mission, and 2030 strategy, and the Board directs the
> Foundation
> > to complete this work by Wikipedia's 20th birthday."
> > – what is "this work" that is to be completed by January 2021?
> > I believe it includes implementation (first phase) as well? On Meta-Wiki
> > the /Timeline page mentions[2] "January 2021" as "Organizational
> > implementation: adoption by the Foundation with opt-in system for
> > affiliates.
> > I see an almost clear action point here that by January 2021 the opt-in
> > naming comes into picture for the communities, where the brand value of
> > Wikipedia will be experimented with a few communities/projects with
> direct
> > attention.
> > Wait, aren't we yet to start the review process?
> > Kindly note, other than the 3 or so models, I have noticed that there was
> > always another (robust) voice, and that's a "no".
> > Sincerely,
> > User:Titodutta
> >
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Brand_Project_Support_(May_2020)
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project/Timeline&oldid=20140879#Post-project:_Adopt_and_advance_brand_(pending_approval_from_the_Board_of_Trustees_and_executive_leadership)
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tito Dutta
> > Note: If I don't reply to your email in 2 days, please feel free to
> remind
> > me over email or phone call.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 04:34, Tito Dutta <trulyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > > From the resolution page (
> > >
> >
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Brand_Project_Support_(May_2020)
> > > :
> > > "... and the Board directs the Foundation to complete this work by
> > > Wikipedia's 20th birthday."
> > > — That is 15 January 2021. Interesting.
> > > It seems the option is now to select one of three (re)naming options.
> > > Actually, I was going to suggest a "movement-wide review" may need more
> > > than 14 days of time.... for affiliates, and communities etc. .
> > > Thanks
> > > User:Titodutta
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 00:47, Zack McCune <zmcc...@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi everyone,
> > >>
> > >> As promised, we are back with an update and a new timeline to discuss
> > >> names
> > >> as a movement. We are excited to take on naming together beginning 16
> > >> June.
> > >> Here is an overview of what happened and what to expect:
> > >>
> > >> After additional weeks of legal review and a conversation with the
> Board
> > >> of
> > >> Trustees at their 22 May meeting, we have alignment to present three
> > >> naming
> > >> convention proposals for movement-wide review on 16 June.
> > >>
> > >> The Board of Trustees affirmed support for the project [1] and vetted
> > >> various naming options. They explored legal and financial implications
> > of
> > >> different approaches, and evaluated them based on their potential to
> act
> > >> as
> > >> compelling, unifying tools to elevate the work we are currently doing
> > and
> > >> ensure the future of our movement. Based on these assessments, the
> > >> movement-wide review will revolve around two naming convention
> proposals
> > >> centered on Wikipedia, one that is a Wiki/Wikipedia hybrid, and an
> open
> > >> response area where respondents can share their own naming proposals.
> > We
> > >> feel confident that the vetting process has led to solid proposals,
> > while
> > >> we also want to ensure we are open to your ideas  and are committed to
> > >> reviewing suggestions made in the open response area.
> > >>
> > >> While these weeks of work have reconfirmed that naming structures
> > centered
> > >> entirely on “Wiki” would not be legally feasible or financially
> > >> responsible, we were able to uncover ways in which “Wiki” can be used
> as
> > >> part of movement naming. We know there will be questions around this,
> > and
> > >> look forward to discussing more in detail during the upcoming live
> > >> presentation.
> > >>
> > >> ***Join us for the live presentation [2] of the three Naming
> Convention
> > >> Proposals on 16 June at 15:00 UTC.***
> > >>
> > >> We will present the various options that were considered, the risks
> and
> > >> rewards of each, and how the process arrived at the three options for
> > >> review.
> > >>
> > >> As previously planned, the movement-wide review to follow will be
> > >> multilingual and will rely on surveys for individual contributors,
> > >> affiliates, and Foundation depts, as well as open discussion on
> > Meta-Wiki,
> > >> from 16 June to 30 June. The two weeks of feedback will help to
> remove,
> > >> refine and recombine elements from the proposals into a single,
> > >> synthesized
> > >> proposal.
> > >>
> > >> We look forward to talking names with you soon.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >>
> > >> - Zack & the Brand Project Team
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> [1]
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Brand_Project_Support_(May_2020)
> > >> [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3zlBGHHHiY
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 12:12 PM Heather Walls <hwa...@wikimedia.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > Hi all,
> > >> >
> > >> > I wanted to quickly follow up and thank you for being patient.
> > >> >
> > >> > Zack, Essie, Samir, Elena, and the entire project team was eager,
> > >> working
> > >> > very very hard, and prepared to share the planned Naming Convention
> > >> > Proposals this week. Our colleagues across the Foundation,
> > particularly
> > >> in
> > >> > Legal, were also tightly involved in this project that is both
> > important
> > >> > and close to our hearts. Rescheduling feels a bit disappointing to
> us
> > >> all,
> > >> > but we are excited at the chance for us to add more to the future
> > >> review,
> > >> > and to set up a stronger discussion across our Movement about the
> > limits
> > >> > and possibilities of new naming systems.
> > >> >
> > >> > Thanks,
> > >> > Heather
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Wed, May 6, 2020 at 11:34 AM Zack McCune <zmcc...@wikimedia.org>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi everyone-
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Today, we are rescheduling the Naming Convention Proposal
> community
> > >> > review
> > >> > > planned for May 7 - 21, including tomorrow's live presentation.
> This
> > >> > > critical part of the Movement Brand Project is designed to share
> and
> > >> > > review compelling,
> > >> > > unifying naming proposals that would sustain our free knowledge
> > >> mission
> > >> > far
> > >> > > into the future. [1]
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We are incredibly excited to talk NAMES with our communities. We
> > know
> > >> how
> > >> > > important naming is to the Movement, and together we’ve made
> > >> considerable
> > >> > > progress on options that would allow us to invite and inspire
> people
> > >> to
> > >> > > join us. People join the movements that move them, and we want our
> > >> Naming
> > >> > > Convention Proposals to be both functional and appealing.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We are particularly interested in “Wiki” as a potential direction,
> > >> often
> > >> > > suggested by the community and widely used in our Movement.
> However,
> > >> > there
> > >> > > are significant practical issues with "Wiki" due to the relevant
> > >> > trademark
> > >> > > landscape.  We do not want to present to you an option that we
> could
> > >> not
> > >> > > make work. The fastest thing to do would be to remove it from the
> > >> > > possibilities, but we hear your preferences and we don’t want to
> do
> > >> that.
> > >> > > Instead, we need more time to expand the research and risk
> > evaluation
> > >> > with
> > >> > > our Legal team and the Board to fully understand what
> opportunities
> > we
> > >> > > have.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > We recognize that changing timing may appear to avoid a necessary
> > and
> > >> > > promised discussion. Nothing could be further from our intentions.
> > We
> > >> > want
> > >> > > to meet our commitment to you to present the best options based on
> > the
> > >> > > conversations we’ve had so far, instead of a more limited set of
> > >> options
> > >> > > that we had to narrow in order to meet our deadline. We want to
> have
> > >> more
> > >> > > exploration and clarity on the risks, costs, and rewards of naming
> > >> > changes
> > >> > > to share with you at this critical phase.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Collaborating with our Legal team and the Board, we will work to
> > have
> > >> > more
> > >> > > details to share with you soon. The Project Team will meet with
> the
> > >> Board
> > >> > > of Trustees during their May 22nd summit, and will follow up as
> soon
> > >> as
> > >> > we
> > >> > > can after.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Yours in branding,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > - Zack, Essie, Elena, Samir, Rupika and the entire Brand Project
> > team
> > >> > > [1]
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_movement_brand_project
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Zack McCune (he/him)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Director of Brand
> > >> > >
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