It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are already too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group. On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I am not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example, continue to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this forking is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community processes to see what is consensus and what is not. In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for the draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on the projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process, read the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are not involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again - UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this happening again. Best Yaroslav On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten <m...@anderswennersten.se> wrote: > If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your > privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document > now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are > there to be read. > > If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc, > you missed to express that in an appropriate moment. > > Anders > > (This being my third entry, it will be my last) > > > > Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen: > > I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual > > statements. > > > > Todd > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten < > m...@anderswennersten.se> > > wrote: > > > >> Read > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20 > >> and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases > >> > >> Anders > >> > >> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen: > >>> Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated in? > >> The > >>> one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No". > >>> > >>> Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count. > >>> > >>> Todd > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten < > >> m...@anderswennersten.se> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The > >>>> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals > representing > >>>> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the closest > we > >>>> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a > >>>> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it does > >>>> not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the > >>>> best way we know how to come to a decision. > >>>> > >>>> And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve all > >>>> parties being effected by it > >>>> > >>>> Anders > >>>> > >>>> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen: > >>>>> Uh, guys? > >>>>> > >>>>> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There > shouldn't > >>>> be a > >>>>> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. > >>>>> > >>>>> Todd > >>>>> > >>>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < > >>>>> csteigenber...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Hello everyone, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct drafting > >>>>>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either by > >>>>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. > >> Volunteers > >>>>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different > languages. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience > >>>> on-wiki, > >>>>>> from someone who started editing only last year to people who have > >> been > >>>>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 edits. > >>>>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, > and > >>>> also > >>>>>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their > >>>> real-life > >>>>>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and > >> extremely > >>>>>> qualified pool of applicants. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - we > >>>> want a > >>>>>> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of the > >>>>>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength is > >>>> more in > >>>>>> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, > >> contributors > >>>>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles > within > >>>> the > >>>>>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate with > >> one > >>>>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of > >>>> Conduct > >>>>>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that committees > >>>> that > >>>>>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided > to > >>>> cap > >>>>>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> More information on the Committee and its new members can be found > on > >>>> Meta > >>>>>> < > >>>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee > >>>>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC > page > >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct> [2]. > >> Please > >>>>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the > >> community > >>>>>> draft review period starting from August 24. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Best regards, > >>>>>> Christel > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [1] > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >> > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee > >>>>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Christel Steigenberger (she/her) > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Trust and Safety Specialist > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Wikimedia Foundation <https://wikimediafoundation.org/> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>>>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > >> , > >>>>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org > ?subject=unsubscribe> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>>> Unsubscribe: > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >>>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l > , > >>>> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >>> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > >> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > >> New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > >> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > >> <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe>
