Hi,

Since this is about a Universal Code of Conduct, please do not focus this
thread on the English language Wikipedia alone.

Ciell

Op vr 31 jul. 2020 18:25 schreef Aron Manning <aronmanni...@gmail.com>:

> As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the ToU
> for WMF
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Diversity/9#Terms_of_Use_for_the_WMF
> >
> discussion,
> I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of Conduct)
> should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
>
> However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there should
> be no Code of Conduct for the communities.
> I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be implemented:
> will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing
> toxicity?
>
>
> Just my thoughts.
> Aron
>
>
>
> On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded
> > from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the
> > process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities.
> >
> > This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are
> already
> > too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do
> > whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group.
> >
> > On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I
> am
> > not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English
> > Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But
> > people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example,
> continue
> > to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this
> forking
> > is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community
> > processes to see what is consensus and what is not.
> >
> > In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for
> the
> > draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people
> > think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on
> the
> > projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these
> > RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process,
> read
> > the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are
> not
> > involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again
> -
> > UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of
> > high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete
> > denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this
> > happening again.
> >
> > Best
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten <
> > m...@anderswennersten.se>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your
> > > privilege.  But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document
> > > now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are
> > > there to be read.
> > >
> > > If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc,
> > > you missed to express that in an appropriate  moment.
> > >
> > > Anders
> > >
> > > (This being my third entry, it will be my last)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen:
> > > > I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual
> > > > statements.
> > > >
> > > > Todd
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten <
> > > m...@anderswennersten.se>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Read
> > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20
> > > >> and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases
> > > >>
> > > >> Anders
> > > >>
> > > >> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen:
> > > >>> Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated
> > in?
> > > >> The
> > > >>> one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No".
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Todd
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten <
> > > >> m...@anderswennersten.se>
> > > >>> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy.
> The
> > > >>>> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals
> > > representing
> > > >>>> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the
> > closest
> > > we
> > > >>>> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in
> a
> > > >>>> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it
> > does
> > > >>>> not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is
> the
> > > >>>> best way we know how to come to a decision.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve
> > all
> > > >>>> parties being effected by it
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anders
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen:
> > > >>>>> Uh, guys?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There
> > > shouldn't
> > > >>>> be a
> > > >>>>> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Todd
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger <
> > > >>>>> csteigenber...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Hello everyone,
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct
> > drafting
> > > >>>>>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either
> > by
> > > >>>>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email.
> > > >> Volunteers
> > > >>>>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different
> > > languages.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience
> > > >>>> on-wiki,
> > > >>>>>> from someone who started editing only last year to people who
> have
> > > >> been
> > > >>>>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000
> > edits.
> > > >>>>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the
> movement,
> > > and
> > > >>>> also
> > > >>>>>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their
> > > >>>> real-life
> > > >>>>>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and
> > > >> extremely
> > > >>>>>> qualified pool of applicants.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making
> -
> > we
> > > >>>> want a
> > > >>>>>> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of
> > the
> > > >>>>>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength
> > is
> > > >>>> more in
> > > >>>>>> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics,
> > > >> contributors
> > > >>>>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles
> > > within
> > > >>>> the
> > > >>>>>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate
> > with
> > > >> one
> > > >>>>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code
> of
> > > >>>> Conduct
> > > >>>>>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that
> > committees
> > > >>>> that
> > > >>>>>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we
> decided
> > > to
> > > >>>> cap
> > > >>>>>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> More information on the Committee and its new members can be
> found
> > > on
> > > >>>> Meta
> > > >>>>>> <
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
> > > >>>>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC
> > > page
> > > >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct>
> [2].
> > > >> Please
> > > >>>>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the
> > > >> community
> > > >>>>>> draft review period starting from August 24.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Best regards,
> > > >>>>>> Christel
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>      [1]
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee
> > > >>>>>> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Christel Steigenberger (she/her)
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Trust and Safety Specialist
> > > >>>>>>
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