As firmly endorsed by 41 community members (out of thousands) in the ToU for WMF <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommendations/Iteration_1/Diversity/9#Terms_of_Use_for_the_WMF> discussion, I think we can agree that the Terms of Use (and also the Code of Conduct) should apply to WMF employees as well, not just volunteers.
However, I don't see how from that it could be inferred that there should be no Code of Conduct for the communities. I believe that the important question is how the CoC will be implemented: will it be a tool for silencing unwanted POVs or a tool for addressing toxicity? Just my thoughts. Aron On Fri, 31 Jul 2020 at 18:11, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote: > It is known and widely recognized that online communities were excluded > from the strategy process. There was no way one could open RfC on the > process, and no approval of the strategy by the editing communities. > > This has to be fixed now. It is difficult to fix, because there are already > too many boundary conditions attached, and I am personally trying to do > whatever I can as a member of the transition strategy group. > > On the other hand, there was no real RfC rejecting the UCoC (at least I am > not aware of one), even though many users, in particular, on the English > Wikipedia in relation to the Fram affair, were very vocal about this. But > people become vocal about many things, some of them, for example, continue > to advocate that we should fork from the existing project and this forking > is the only way forward. People say many things, and we have community > processes to see what is consensus and what is not. > > In the current situation, specifically concerning UCoC, is to wait for the > draft / drafting principle, whatever comes on 24 august. If many people > think the product is not acceptable they should open RfC on meta or on the > projects and see whether there is consensus it is unacceptable. For these > RfCs to happen, but for this people should really follow the process, read > the draft and see what the consequences are. If online communities are not > involved in this process either, then things will go over and over again - > UCOc accepted as proposed, included into ToU, followed by a couple of > high-profile bans, shistorm in the most active communities, and complete > denial by WMF managers. We have been there and we do not want this > happening again. > > Best > Yaroslav > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 5:55 PM Anders Wennersten < > m...@anderswennersten.se> > wrote: > > > If you choose to not take active part in he strategy process it it your > > privilege. But the fact is that the Strategy is the steering document > > now for the nearest activities in the Movement. And the endorsments are > > there to be read. > > > > If you had wanted the endorsement to be visible in the form of a Rfc, > > you missed to express that in an appropriate moment. > > > > Anders > > > > (This being my third entry, it will be my last) > > > > > > > > Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:38, skrev Todd Allen: > > > I have read that, but do not see any public RfC nor any individual > > > statements. > > > > > > Todd > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:34 AM Anders Wennersten < > > m...@anderswennersten.se> > > > wrote: > > > > > >> Read > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20 > > >> and people involved supporting it and endorsing its different phases > > >> > > >> Anders > > >> > > >> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 17:28, skrev Todd Allen: > > >>> Where was the public RfC that these "700 individuals" participated > in? > > >> The > > >>> one I saw, which took place on Meta, was, again, a very firm "No". > > >>> > > >>> Off-wiki backchanneling stuff doesn't count. > > >>> > > >>> Todd > > >>> > > >>> On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 9:18 AM Anders Wennersten < > > >> m...@anderswennersten.se> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> The development of the Code of Conduct is part of the Strategy. The > > >>>> strategy and this part was endorsed by some 700 individuals > > representing > > >>>> more or less all parts of the Movement. And that group is the > closest > > we > > >>>> have seen resembling a government body of the movement. But as in a > > >>>> democracy, even if the parliament is unanimous in a decision, it > does > > >>>> not mean all citizens, or even groups of citizens, agree. But is the > > >>>> best way we know how to come to a decision. > > >>>> > > >>>> And how to implent it is still open, and will most likely involve > all > > >>>> parties being effected by it > > >>>> > > >>>> Anders > > >>>> > > >>>> Den 2020-07-31 kl. 16:28, skrev Todd Allen: > > >>>>> Uh, guys? > > >>>>> > > >>>>> That was a firm "No" on any Universal Code of Conduct. There > > shouldn't > > >>>> be a > > >>>>> "drafting committee" for it, it was disapproved. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> Todd > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 11:49 AM Christel Steigenberger < > > >>>>> csteigenber...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > >>>>> > > >>>>>> Hello everyone, > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> We are happy to announce that the Universal Code of Conduct > drafting > > >>>>>> committee has been assembled. We had 26 volunteers apply, either > by > > >>>>>> publicly signing up on the Meta page, or by sending an email. > > >> Volunteers > > >>>>>> from 18 different countries applied, speaking 11 different > > languages. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> We had Wikimedian applicants with different levels of experience > > >>>> on-wiki, > > >>>>>> from someone who started editing only last year to people who have > > >> been > > >>>>>> editing for more than 18 years and/or have more than 300,000 > edits. > > >>>>>> Applicants held a variety of different roles within the movement, > > and > > >>>> also > > >>>>>> informed us about interesting and relevant experiences in their > > >>>> real-life > > >>>>>> careers. It was very hard to narrow down from this diverse and > > >> extremely > > >>>>>> qualified pool of applicants. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> For the final selection, two aspects guided the decision making - > we > > >>>> want a > > >>>>>> committee that at the one hand will represent important parts of > the > > >>>>>> movement. Prolific editors as well as Wikimedians whose strength > is > > >>>> more in > > >>>>>> organizing events, wikimedians from different demographics, > > >> contributors > > >>>>>> from small and large wikis, and people holding different roles > > within > > >>>> the > > >>>>>> movement. We also wanted a group of people who will collaborate > with > > >> one > > >>>>>> another effectively and create the best possible Universal Code of > > >>>> Conduct > > >>>>>> for the Wikimedia movement. Experience has taught us that > committees > > >>>> that > > >>>>>> are too large find it difficult to work effectively, so we decided > > to > > >>>> cap > > >>>>>> the number of seats to 6 volunteer seats and 3 staff seats. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> More information on the Committee and its new members can be found > > on > > >>>> Meta > > >>>>>> < > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee > > >>>>>> [1], and a timeline for their work is available on the main UCoC > > page > > >>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct> [2]. > > >> Please > > >>>>>> note that more chances for engagement are coming up during the > > >> community > > >>>>>> draft review period starting from August 24. > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> Best regards, > > >>>>>> Christel > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> [1] > > >>>>>> > > >>>>>> > > >> > > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee > > >>>>>> [2] 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