You should apply for a small grant for your photography, Bidgee
(either to subsidise travel or for the flash you need).

On 5/5/10, bidgee-w...@virginbroadband.com.au
<bidgee-w...@virginbroadband.com.au> wrote:
> I just signed up to this mail list yesterday (didn't know it had existed
> until yesterday).
>
> I had photographed most of the Top End of the NT but lost 80%
> (unrecoverable) of my photos during the move down south.
>
> When I returned back to NSW my aim was to cover as much cities, suburbs,
> towns, villages and locality not just in NSW but other states and
> territories.
>
> Locations in my local (within 15km) area have been covered by walking or
> riding a push bike (yes it is possible) and other locations used coaches
> (as I don't have a car nor license [I'll get one someday]) which has meant
> I've needed to stay overnight and I pay out of my own pocket (My most
> recent Canberra trip cost me $50 [return coach ticket], $120 for overnight
> accommodation and $8.80 for an ACTION off-peak bus ticket [two days]) and I
> plan the places to photograph and map them but even then you only cover 20%
> in a day.
>
> In the next few weeks (sometime in June) I will be visiting Point Cook and
> then it will be back to Canberra (date is yet to be set) but I'm hoping to
> do a two or three day trip to Albury/Wodonga and Temora this year.
>
> There are so many importance and historic places (not just buildings,
> statues, trees ect) that have only a few photographs or none at all over
> Australia and the earthquake in Kalgoorlie-Boulder just proves that they
> can be lost forever. Maybe we should look at forming groups to cover remote
> areas and in areas no so remote area. I would even put out the challenge to
> cover some areas by public transport and push bikes. ;)
>
> Robert
>
> On Wed, 5 May 2010 18:08:03 +0800, Andrew <orderinchao...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I'd like to pitch an idea regarding a possible grant application.
>>
>> One of the interesting things that came up in Berlin (both Sarah and I
>> attended the Outreach Case Studies session where this was discussed) was
>> the
>> Wikiexpedition done by the Polish Wikipedia - I understand the Czechs
> also
>> undertook a similar thing and got a grant for it (which included petrol,
>> accommodation and buying a camera), and I seem to remember Estonia and a
>> few
>> others talking along similar lines.
>>
>> I was talking with a WA volunteer today and one issue we have is that
> some
>> areas of our great country are hopelessly under-covered. Speaking from a
> WA
>> point of view, the Wheatbelt region immediately comes to mind, but I'm
> sure
>> anyone reading this can think of somewhere nearby (or at least within
>> reach)
>> which falls into this category. In the past, despite my
> non-car-ownership,
>> I've done what I can to address this, and two other Wikimedians,
> Mattinbgn
>> and Bidgee (Robert), have done tremendous work in getting photos of
> things
>> like town halls and other monuments in Victoria to illustrate our
> articles
>> and build up Commons. That shows what *individuals* can do with an
>> appropriate plan.
>>
>> The Wikiexpedition was basically a bunch of volunteers with cars
> (15-20?)
>> who coordinated and were driving around taking photographs of basically
>> anything that was of importance or interest. Being done over a set time
>> with
>> a specific deadline for completing the photo runs and uploading them to
>> Commons maximised the value of the exercise. Having so many people
>> available
>> made it so much better than just having one, as they could split up and
> do
>> different things in the same town, for instance, or one could take the
>> backroads and another could take the main road. The Polish dealt a lot
> with
>> local businesses, municipalities and tourist offices along the way so
> were
>> able to promote the cause somewhat as well to an entirely unexpected
>> audience.
>>
>> Achievable, tick. Clear scope and measurable end points, tick. Engages
> the
>> membership, tick. Promotes Wikimedia, tick. Meets our statement of
> purpose
>> and the goals of WMF, tick.
>>
>> OK, it's a bit unconventional, but what do others think?
>>
>>
>> On 5 May 2010 17:30, private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 'Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to
>>>
>>> engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through
>>> application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the
>>> proposed project will be run'
>>> - totally agree with this- and agree that it's a large stretch to try
> and
>>> get anything completed before the deadline - whether or not it's worth
>>> trying is a different question, I guess :-)
>>> 'I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and
>>>
>>> get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted
>>> out as carefully as possible before submitting applications'
>>> - totally agree with this too - again, it does seem unlikely to be able
>>> to
>>> get this all done ahead of the deadline - I guess I wish discussions
> and
>>> activity had kicked off earlier - though that's largely down to us as a
>>> membership - hopefully we can get the ball rolling anyways ahead of
>>> future
>>> grant applications etc.
>>>
>>> 'Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for
>>> him to be globally banned'
>>> - this is not accurate - Jimbo never called me a troll, nor did he call
>>> for
>>> me to be globally banned - please take greater care in raising comments
>>> about me personally as oppose to my posts.... however;
>>> 'PM is really not an appropriate person to lead the chapter in requests
>>> to
>>> the WMF for not-insignificant amounts of money'
>>> - sure ;-) - as I mentioned I'd rather just try and help / chivvy /
>>> expedite existing efforts - my concern is to make sure that something
>>> happens - I'm concerned that we're heading for a pretty poor report
> card
>>> for
>>> the first half of 2010, and would like to help avoid that :-)
>>> cheers,
>>> Peter,
>>> PM.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Sarah Ewart <sarahew...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>>> To be entirely frank, I would have to agree that given both the long
>>>> term and recent "controversies" throughout WMF universe which
>>>> culminated in Jimmy recently describing PM as a troll and calling for
>>>> him to be globally banned, PM is really not an appropriate person to
>>>> lead the chapter in requests to the WMF for not-insignificant amounts
>>>> of money. However, I don't have a problem with him suggesting
>>>> potential projects and then seeing how others feel about them and
>>>> whether they gel with other projects people are currently involved in.
>>>>
>>>> I attended the session on grants at the chapters meeting in Berlin (my
>>>> notes are up on the wiki here-
>>>>
>>>>
> http://www.wikimedia.org.au//wiki/2010_chapters_meeting/Sarahs_notes#Working_group:_Volunteers
>>>> )
>>>> and we discussed the final date for grant applications and Eric made
>>>> it clear that while May 15 is listed as the deadline, it's more like a
>>>> preferred date. If applications are in by then they'll be processed
>>>> more quickly, but we're welcome to submit applications after that
>>>> date.
>>>>
>>>> Last year we had to pay back a grant a chapter member requested for an
>>>> outreach conference they wanted to run because it fell through and
>>>> didn't end up going ahead. Paying back the funds was a real headache
>>>> for the committee (especially for Brian as the then-treasurer) and it
>>>> took a considerable amount of time to resolve with the foundation. I
>>>> don't want to see this happen again so I'd oppose any moves to rush
>>>> through any ill-considered applications just to get them in before May
>>>> 15 or that seem more orientated on getting money for the sake of it or
>>>> for the simple stated purpose of engaging with the grant process.
>>>> Grant applications are serious, not something that you submit just to
>>>> engage with a process and there needs to be a properly thought through
>>>> application with an idea of who, what, when, where and how the
>>>> proposed project will be run. If we have to pay back another grant,
>>>> it's going to reflect very poorly on the chapter so this isn't
>>>> something that should just be slapped together at the last minute.
>>>>
>>>> I'd rather see us take the time to discuss possible ideas properly and
>>>> get the details of any proposed projects members want to run nutted
>>>> out as carefully as possible before submitting applications.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 5/5/10, Andrew <orderinchao...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > Hi,
>>>> >
>>>> > I'll be straight up and state I'm not going to support this, for a
>>>> variety
>>>> > of reasons.
>>>> >
>>>> > Firstly, I don't think our chapter is capable of producing a grant
>>>> > application to the standard WMF require for such a big area
>>>> > (education)
>>>> in
>>>> > 10 days that addresses all the things WMF expect us to address.
>>>> >
>>>> > Secondly, this appears to be trying to reinvent the wheel. Craig's
>>>> project
>>>> > up in Brisbane is already making significant advances, at least
> three
>>>> other
>>>> > chapter members have made contacts with (or have been contacted by)
>>>> > educational departments and representative associations, and
> completed
>>>> > resources already in use in schools exist in other languages from
>>>> > other
>>>> > chapters - I'm presently trying to secure translations of these on
>>>> behalf of
>>>> > the chapter. Without any attempt to coordinate the various
> approaches,
>>>> we're
>>>> > not only less effective but also give the outward appearance of
> being
>>>> > disorganised to the various educational bodies involved.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thirdly, given your recent conflict with, among other people, Jimbo
>>>> Wales
>>>> > and various concerns about past occasions when you have undertaken
>>>> chapter
>>>> > work (in particular the Dictionary of Sydney episode), I do not
> think
>>>> you
>>>> > personally should be making any outward representation of our
> chapter
>>>> and,
>>>> > if the grant were to be approved, I think someone else should lead
> it.
>>>> >
>>>> > kindest regards
>>>> > Andrew
>>>> >
>>>> > On 5 May 2010 11:46, private musings <thepmacco...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> G'day all,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> does the chapter have any grants proposals heading in this year?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:Index
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Do we have any structure for creating / supporting a chapter grant
>>>> >> like
>>>> >> this?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I have a few ideas and opportunities - for wiki use in education,
>>>> >> hopefully
>>>> >> in partnership with nsw dep. of ed. - if I write something up in
> the
>>>> next
>>>> >> week or so, I suppose we could discuss it on our wiki, and forward
> it
>>>> to
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> grants page linked above for consideration if appropriate?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I think it's important for a functioning healthy chapter to try to
>>>> engage
>>>> >> with processes like this, so if you too have any ideas or
>>>> opportunities,
>>>> >> please do pipe up, and let's work on them on the wiki, and get them
>>>> going
>>>> >> :-)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> cheers,
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Peter,
>>>> >> PM.
>>>> >>
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