Could I get the link to the take again please?
On 12/10/2013 8:52 AM, "Gnangarra" <gnanga...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've also started adding info, but the last few days I've been
> sidetracked, and need to spend time chasing down the details :)
>
> Cheers
> Gnangarra
>
>
> On 11 October 2013 21:07, Craig Franklin <cfrank...@halonetwork.net>wrote:
>
>> Bidgee and Toby,
>>
>> Thanks for preparing and adding your info to these spreadsheets.  I know
>> that filling out paperwork isn't fun but it's one of those things that has
>> to be done, so thanks for stepping up and leading the way.
>>
>> I do have some figures on editathons across NSW and Qld that I will add
>> as soon as I can locate them.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Craig
>>
>>
>> On 11 October 2013 18:35, <wikimediaau-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org>wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 19:35:13 +1100
>>> From: Robert Myers <bid...@me.com>
>>>
>>> To: Wikimedia Australia Chapter <wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
>>> Message-ID: <271ccc96-0449-4d48-b0c5-ccde898cd...@me.com>
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>>>
>>>
>>> I've added my two grants, but the equipment cost (amount that I paid out
>>> of my own pocket) is just an estimate for now, until I can locate the
>>> receipt.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Bidgee
>>>
>>> On 10/10/2013, at 10:39 PM, Toby Hudson <tob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Hi Kerry,
>>> >
>>> > My preferred model would be that each project/editathon/grant leader
>>> > should report their results in this tabular format, (perhaps as a
>>> > partial replacement for the written reports we've previously
>>> > submitted).  We are usually pretty proud of our how our events go, so
>>> > I expect individuals would often be happy to formally report that back
>>> > to WMAU if there's a procedure in place.
>>> >
>>> > To kick the process off, I've copied the WMF spreadsheet Whiteghost
>>> > linked to, and have started adapting it for her suggestions and for
>>> > the Australian context (e.g. Aussie dollars and Photographic Equipment
>>> > Grants).  I've also added complete current data from my 2011 small
>>> > grant, and links to the reports from some others I know about.
>>> > Everybody should feel free to start adding data on programs they know
>>> > about, and changing field titles to suit the programs we run.  I'll
>>> > start adding some of the SLNSW and QSA stuff I know about.
>>> >
>>> > Here it is in all it's glory - it is open for anyone with the link to
>>> edit:
>>> >
>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvHbaGUCSbP9dGppX1dhOWxka1I5MTdhMEJHcU9ILUE&usp=sharing
>>> >
>>> > Toby
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 8:07 PM, Kerry Raymond <
>>> kerry.raym...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> Toby
>>> >>
>>> >> You make an excellent point and I doubt anyone will disagree that it
>>> would
>>> >> be a Good Thing to do this. Would those volunteering to do it please
>>> put
>>> >> their hands up now?
>>> >>
>>> >> [Pauses, cups hand around ear listening ...]
>>> >>
>>> >> Therein lies the problem that most volunteer organisations face.
>>> Volunteers
>>> >> do the tasks they enjoy (or at least derive satisfaction from),
>>> because they
>>> >> do it for free in their leisure time. Now sometimes a volunteer
>>> organisation
>>> >> is fortunate that there are "different strokes for different folks"
>>> and
>>> >> someone else will be quite happy to pick up the tasks another person
>>> didn't
>>> >> want to do.
>>> >>
>>> >> But sometimes there is nobody to pick it up some tasks (I recollect
>>> another
>>> >> incorporated association that endlessly tried to establish a roster
>>> for
>>> >> cleaning the toilet -- which was doomed to failure because nobody
>>> wanted to
>>> >> do it, even though everyone was in favour of a clean toilet) and I
>>> fear that
>>> >> metrics may be in that category in WMAU. If so, this is when we need
>>> to look
>>> >> at outsourcing that task. As you will all know (but maybe don't
>>> remember) we
>>> >> do now have a contracting policy
>>> >>
>>> >> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Proposal:Contracting
>>> >>
>>> >> and, any moment now (drum roll), John V will be outlining the
>>> arrangements
>>> >> for the contracting subcommittee so we can get outsourcing happening.
>>> >>
>>> >> If there are tasks we need to outsource, we need to do this now while
>>> we
>>> >> still have funds to pay for the work that needs doing. If we delay
>>> until we
>>> >> have no funds, then we are in a serious catch-22 situation. I note
>>> that a
>>> >> number of the chapters who receive FDC funding appear to use at least
>>> part
>>> >> of those funds to employ project management staff, suggesting that
>>> this is
>>> >> the kind of thing that is hard to resource with volunteers in most
>>> chapters.
>>> >>
>>> >> Kerry
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> >> [mailto:wikimediaau-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Toby
>>> Hudson
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2013 4:16 PM
>>> >> To: Craig Franklin; Wikimedia Australia Chapter
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Funding Query
>>> >>
>>> >> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Craig Franklin
>>> >> <cfrank...@halonetwork.net> wrote:
>>> >>> I also agree that the chapter and its volunteers *have* done a lot of
>>> >> great
>>> >>> work over the past few years, and I think you've hit the nail on the
>>> head
>>> >>> that we've often failed to effectively communicate our successes.
>>>  Part of
>>> >>> any projects going forward will be a need to say "here's how we're
>>> going
>>> >> to
>>> >>> measure success" before we actually dive in on any project, so that
>>> we can
>>> >>> either use that measurement as justification for further funding, or
>>> use
>>> >>> that measurement to figure out what went wrong and make sure we
>>> don't make
>>> >>> the same mistake twice.
>>> >>
>>> >> and then:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Absolutely, a lot of volunteers have pitched in at some time or
>>> another
>>> >> and done some great work that have (in my opinion) led to positive
>>> outcomes
>>> >> for the movement.  Enough that I'm not going to even try to enumerate
>>> them
>>> >> all for fear that I'll leave someone out :-).
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi Craig,
>>> >> Although forward planning of outcome metrics is obviously a good thing
>>> >> for the future, I think we should make an effort now to compile
>>> >> outcomes and metrics for projects, programs and grants that have
>>> >> already taken place.  Is there an onwiki page for this, or a table to
>>> >> fill out for each project or grant we have undertaken?  I know there
>>> >> are some reports linked from here
>>> >> http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Reports#Small_grants but surely
>>> there
>>> >> are more hanging around?  Even though you can't enumerate them off the
>>> >> top of your head, we *should* be able to enumerate them if everyone
>>> >> writes up the outcomes of projects we've individually been involved
>>> >> with.  I know there are huge outcomes as a result of the SLNSW
>>> >> training and residency.. but maybe they have not been tabulated into
>>> >> reportable dotpoints?
>>> >> Toby
>>> >>
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