Yes, agreed. Michael
On 17 Sep 2013, at 23:01, Andy Mabbett <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps change "rules... are" to "law... is" on the final sentence? > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > > On Sep 17, 2013 5:55 PM, "Michael Maggs" <[email protected]> wrote: >> If you have enough space I would go with this. If you need to shorten it, >> skip the bit about the stained glass. >> >> Freedom of panorama in the UK >> >> Under UK law you can upload a photo of the architecture of any building >> (inside or out) without infringing any copyright. The same applies to any 3D >> artwork, such as a statue, provided that the artwork is in a public place >> (somewhere normally open to the public, including interior spaces such as >> museums), and is permanently on view there. So, you can freely upload a >> photo of the Angel of the North, even though the sculpture itself is >> copyright-protected. The rule applies to stained glass on permanent public >> view, but not to other 2D works such as posters or signs - even if they are >> permanently sited in a public place. Note that the rules outside the UK are >> often much more restrictive.” >> >> Michael >> >> On 17 Sep 2013, at 17:12, Stevie Benton wrote: >> >>> Thanks Michael for your comments. Here's the version I currently have: >>> >>> "Freedom of panorama in the UK - Under UK law you can upload a photo of the >>> architecture of any building (inside or outside) without infringing any >>> copyright. The same applies to any 3D artwork, such as a statue, provided >>> that it is permanently located in a public space (somewhere normally open >>> to the public, including interior spaces such as museums). You can freely >>> upload a photo of the Angel of the North, even though the sculpture itself >>> is copyright-protected. Note that this only applies to 3D works and not 2D >>> works such as posters or signs - even if they are on public display. Note >>> also that the rules outside the UK are often different." >>> >>> >>> We've gone backwards and forwards on this quite a lot, so, executive >>> decision - Michael, can you take a look, recommend any changes and we'll go >>> with your final, recommended version. >>> >>> Thank you everyone, >>> >>> Stevie >>> >>> >>> On 17 September 2013 17:07, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> No, definitely not an improvement - sorry! >>>> >>>> This version goes far beyond a copyedit and introduces substantive and >>>> incorrect changes on points of law. First, it mixes up buildings (which >>>> do not have to be public) and and sculptures (which do). Second, the text >>>> appears to be based on an incorrect understanding that the underlying >>>> legal distinction is between 2D and 3D, which it is results in a >>>> completely wrong explanation of why stained glass is OK (actually, it is >>>> because stained glass falls under a peculiar category of UK copyright >>>> called 'works of artistic craftsmanship’, a category which also would also >>>> include 3D designer jewellery). >>>> >>>> Please can we revert back to my last draft, and if needed edit for >>>> readability only? >>>> >>>> Michael >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, 17 September 2013, Stevie Benton wrote: >>>>>> Thanks Jonathan. Before I go through the awkward job of tinkering with >>>>>> the InDesign file, what do other people think about the revision? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Stevie >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 17 September 2013 12:47, Jonathan Cardy >>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Thanks all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Possible revised wording with examples from the borderline and less >>>>>> repetition. >>>>>> >>>>>> UK Freedom of panorama >>>>>> >>>>>> Under UK law, you can photograph, upload and share with the world a >>>>>> photo of any 3d artifact such as a building or sculpture that is >>>>>> permanently publicly displayed in the UK, even if the object is still >>>>>> under copyright. But you need to check four things: >>>>>> 1 Is it permanently on display? Temporary exhibits such as on the fourth >>>>>> plinth in Trafalgar square are not included, but the Angel of the North >>>>>> is. >>>>>> 2 When you took the photograph were you somewhere normally open to the >>>>>> public? Inside a pub or museum is fine, where you work or were a guest >>>>>> probably isn't. >>>>>> 3 Was it 3d not 2d? Buildings and sculpture are 3d, graffiti, paintings >>>>>> and signs are 2d. So a photograph of stained glass illuminated by light >>>>>> shining through it is 3d, but the same stained glass window reflecting >>>>>> your flash at night is 2d and might still be under copyright. >>>>>> 4 Did you take the photo in the UK? Most other countries have stricter >>>>>> rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jonathan Cardy >>>>>> GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser/ >>>>>> Trefnydd GLAM (Galeriau, Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!) >>>>>> Wikimedia UK >>>>>> 0207 065 0990 >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Thank you Martin for your kind words. 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