Thanks Michael and Andy. I've made those changes now. A new version will be uploaded shortly.
Stevie On 18 September 2013 03:54, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes, agreed. > > Michael > > On 17 Sep 2013, at 23:01, Andy Mabbett <[email protected]> wrote: > > Perhaps change "rules... are" to "law... is" on the final sentence? > > -- > Andy Mabbett > @pigsonthewing > http://pigsonthewing.org.uk > On Sep 17, 2013 5:55 PM, "Michael Maggs" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> If you have enough space I would go with this. If you need to shorten it, >> skip the bit about the stained glass. >> * >> * >> *Freedom of panorama in the UK* >> >> Under UK law you can upload a photo of the architecture of any building >> (inside or out) without infringing any copyright. The same applies to any >> 3D artwork, such as a statue, provided that the artwork is in a public >> place (somewhere normally open to the public, including interior spaces >> such as museums), and is *permanently* on view there. So, you can >> freely upload a photo of the Angel of the North, even though the sculpture >> itself is copyright-protected. The rule applies to stained glass on >> permanent public view, but not to other 2D works such as posters or >> signs - even if they are permanently sited in a public place. Note that >> the rules outside the UK are often much more restrictive.” >> >> Michael >> >> On 17 Sep 2013, at 17:12, Stevie Benton wrote: >> >> Thanks Michael for your comments. Here's the version I currently have: >> >> "Freedom of panorama in the UK - Under UK law you can upload a photo of >> the architecture of any building (inside or outside) without infringing any >> copyright. The same applies to any 3D artwork, such as a statue, provided >> that it is permanently located in a public space (somewhere normally open >> to the public, including interior spaces such as museums). You can freely >> upload a photo of the Angel of the North, even though the sculpture itself >> is copyright-protected. Note that this only applies to 3D works and not 2D >> works such as posters or signs - even if they are on public display. Note >> also that the rules outside the UK are often different." >> >> >> >> We've gone backwards and forwards on this quite a lot, so, executive >> decision - Michael, can you take a look, recommend any changes and we'll go >> with your final, recommended version. >> >> Thank you everyone, >> >> Stevie >> >> >> On 17 September 2013 17:07, Michael Maggs <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> No, definitely not an improvement - sorry! >>> >>> This version goes far beyond a copyedit and introduces substantive and >>> incorrect changes on points of law. First, it mixes up buildings (which do >>> *not* have to be public) and and sculptures (which do). Second, the >>> text appears to be based on an incorrect understanding that the underlying >>> legal distinction is between 2D and 3D, which it is results in a completely >>> wrong explanation of why stained glass is OK (actually, it is because >>> stained glass falls under a peculiar category of UK copyright called 'works >>> of artistic craftsmanship’, a category which also would also include 3D >>> designer jewellery). >>> >>> Please can we revert back to my last draft, and if needed edit for >>> readability only? >>> >>> Michael >>> >>> >>> On Tuesday, 17 September 2013, Stevie Benton wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks Jonathan. Before I go through the awkward job of tinkering with >>>> the InDesign file, what do other people think about the revision? >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Stevie >>>> >>>> >>>> On 17 September 2013 12:47, Jonathan Cardy < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thanks all, >>>> >>>> *Possible revised wording with examples from the borderline and less >>>> repetition. >>>> * >>>> * >>>> UK Freedom of panorama* >>>> >>>> Under UK law, you can photograph, upload and share with the world a >>>> photo of any 3d artifact such as a building or sculpture that is >>>> permanently publicly displayed in the UK, even if the object is still under >>>> copyright. But you need to check four things: >>>> 1 Is it permanently on display? Temporary exhibits such as on the >>>> fourth plinth in Trafalgar square are not included, but the Angel of the >>>> North is. >>>> 2 When you took the photograph were you somewhere normally open to the >>>> public? Inside a pub or museum is fine, where you work or were a guest >>>> probably isn't. >>>> 3 Was it 3d not 2d? Buildings and sculpture are 3d, graffiti, paintings >>>> and signs are 2d. So a photograph of stained glass illuminated by >>>> light shining through it is 3d, but the same stained glass window >>>> reflecting your flash at night is 2d and might still be under copyright. >>>> 4 Did you take the photo in the UK? Most other countries have stricter >>>> rules. >>>> >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> Jonathan Cardy >>>> GLAM (Galleries, Libraries, Archives & Museums) Organiser/ >>>> Trefnydd GLAM (Galeriau, Llyfrgelloedd, Archifdai a llawer Mwy!) >>>> Wikimedia UK >>>> 0207 065 0990 >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thank you Martin for your kind words. 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