Hi Mathieu, This pilot doesn't have Wikimedia SUL as a requirement, but a move to production would. For a discussion about Discourse and single sign-on, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T124691
The content license would be the same as MediaWiki.org, unless someone has a better suggestion: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 12:19 PM, mathieu stumpf guntz < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Le 19/11/2017 à 04:33, Brian Wolff a écrit : > >> Neither project:support_desk nor project:current_issues is really meant >> for >> that purpose - support desk is mainly for user and (external) sysadmin >> support. And current_issues is the village pump of mediawiki.org (the >> website not the software) >> >> Honestly, I kind of think that lqt was better than flow for support desk. >> As much as lqt sucked at least search sort of worked. >> >> Although the bigger problem probably is that project:support desk is >> protected so new users arent allowed to ask questions(!) >> >> On the subject of search, i do think that >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/robots.txt is rediculous. At least for >> technical lists we should let google in, and the privacy concern is silly >> as there are mirrors that are indexed. >> > The foundation is not responsible for, possibly illegal, behaviour of > external parties. It's not silly to disallow copyrighted content on Commons > just because you can find them on popular website which publish them > illegaly. > > > >> -- >> bawolff >> >> On Saturday, November 18, 2017, Sam Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hear hear to being able to properly search past conversations. >>> >>> I know it's not the fashionably geek thing to say, but I must admit that >>> I always find mailing lists to be incredibly annoying, compared to >>> forums. Not only is searching completely separate from reading, even >>> browsing old topics is another interface again (assuming one hasn't been >>> subscribed forever and kept every old message). Then, when you do manage >>> to find an old message, there's no way to reply to it (short of copying >>> and pasting and losing context). >>> >>> Maybe https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk (and its >>> sibling https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Current_issues ?) is the >>> best place to ask questions about the software, its development, and >>> other things. If so, let's make that fact much more well advertised! >>> (Although, I think Flow is brilliant, when it's for discussing a wiki >>> page — because the topic is already set (effectively by the title of the >>> page its attached to). When it's trying to be a host to multiple >>> unrelated topics, it becomes pretty annoying to use.) >>> >>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, at 05:57 AM, Niharika Kohli wrote: >>> >>>> I'd like to add that having Discourse will provide the one thing IRC >>>> channels and mailing lists fail to - search capabilities. If you hangout >>>> on >>>> the #mediawiki IRC channel, you have probably noticed that we get a lot >>>> of >>>> repeat questions all the time. This would save everyone time and effort. >>>> >>>> Not to mention ease of use. Discourse is way more usable than IRC or >>>> mailing lists. Usability is the main reason there are so many questions >>>> about MediaWiki asked on Stackoverflow instead: >>>> https://stackoverflow.com/unanswered/tagged/mediawiki >>>> <https://stackoverflow.com/unanswered/tagged/mediawiki>, >>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/mediawiki-api?sort=newest >>>> <https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/mediawiki-api?sort=newest>, >>>> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/mediawiki-extensions... >>>> >>>> I'd personally hope we can stop asking developers to go to IRC or >>>> mailing >>>> lists eventually and use Discourse/something else as a discussion forum >>>> for >>>> support. >>>> >>>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 1:31 PM, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, I have expanded >>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Discourse#One_place_to_ >>>>> seek_developer_support >>>>> >>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project:Support_desk is the only >>>>> channel >>>>> whose main purpose is to provide support. The volunteers maintaining >>>>> >>>> are >> >>> the ones to decide about its future. There is no rush for any decisions >>>>> there. First we need to run a successful pilot. >>>>> >>>>> The rest of channels (like this mailing list) were created for >>>>> >>>> something >> >>> else. If these channels stop receiving questions from new developers, >>>>> >>>> they >> >>> will continue doing whatever they do now. >>>>> >>>>> I'd like to understand how adding a venue will improve matters. >>>>>> >>>>> For new developers arriving to our shores, being able to ask a first >>>>> question about any topic in one place with a familiar UI is a big >>>>> improvement over having to figure out a disseminated landscape of wiki >>>>> >>>> Talk >> >>> pages, mailing lists and IRC channels (especially if they are not used >>>>> >>>> to >> >>> any of these environments). The reason to propose this new space is >>>>> >>>> them, >> >>> not us. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 5:01 PM, MZMcBride <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Brian Wolff wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, November 17, 2017, Quim Gil <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Technical Collaboration team proposes the creation of a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> developer >> >>> support channel focusing on newcomers, as part of our Onboarding >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> New >> >>> Developer program. We are proposing to create a site based on >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Discourse >>>>> >>>>>> (starting with a pilot in discourse-mediawiki.wmflabs.org) and to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> point >>>>> >>>>>> the many existing scattered channels there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> What does point existing channels to discouse mean exactly? Are you >>>>>>> planning to shutdown any existing channels? If so, which ones? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Excellent questions. I'd like to know the answers as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> I raised a similar point at >>>>>> <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Discourse>. I skimmed >>>>>> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T155678>, looking for some >>>>>> >>>>> answers, >> >>> and >>>>> >>>>>> I didn't find any. >>>>>> >>>>>> Quim, are you involved in MediaWiki support in places such as the >>>>>> #mediawiki IRC channel or the mediawiki-l mailing list? Are you >>>>>> >>>>> involved >> >>> in MediaWiki support elsewhere? I'm trying to better understand how >>>>>> >>>>> it >> >>> would be appropriate for you to seemingly suggest disrupting or >>>>>> >>>>> shutting >> >>> down these established and functioning venues. If this is not your >>>>>> suggestion, I'd like to understand how adding a venue will improve >>>>>> >>>>> matters. >>>>> >>>>>> MZMcBride >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Quim Gil >>>>> Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Niharika >>>> Software Engineer >>>> Community Tech >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Wikitech-l mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Wikitech-l mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > Wikitech-l mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l > -- Quim Gil Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil _______________________________________________ Wikitech-l mailing list [email protected] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
