You know, I think there are three very different issues here. 1) Is one in favor of Calea.
2) Regardless, Calea is Law. How will WISPs best deal with Compliance? 3) What did WISPA do to help WISPs solve this problem? #1 is something we can go on forever debating. There are many WISPs that are not in favor of Calea, and took positions to fight it in the past. Including some WISPA members. WISPA has never taken the position that we are Pro Calea. WISPA has taken the position to represent WISPs, and do our best to comply with the Law. We have a responsibilty to our Country first. FBI won the Calea battle with legislators. Its not approriate to hold it against WISPA, that the US's elected legislators favored law enforcement's request for CALEA Compliance. #2 This is something every WISP has to ask themselves. REGARDLESS of whether they agree or disagree with Calea. This has nothing to do with WISPA. #3 What WISPA has done, as John Scrivner stated, is that the Calea committee asked these questions for WISPs, so WISP's did not have to. And I tell you there was a lot of man hours by those volunteers. Something that should be appreciated. I'd argue the Calea effort was probably the single largest group effort contribution in the organization's history, and undisputedly a success, and worthy of praise. If someone is unhappy with Calea, they should take it out on legislators, not WISPA that has just tried to ease the pain. Calea law was passed way before the Calea committee started to work on ways to comply. The time to fight the Calea law was BEFORE it was passed, and that was not the Calea's committees task, sense the laws had already been passed. Saying "I can't" or "I wont" doesn't do anyone any good. It was already law that we "Have to". The best that could be expected of the Calea Committee and Leadership was to determine "what is feasibly possible", and how we might most easilly accomplish that. Lets keep it real, please. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking >I object to this. Here is an example of what I have done regarding my > interactions with the FCC in the last year: > > I was on a conference call with several ranking members of the FCC about a > year ago. One of the people on the call was the head of enforcement in DC. > I > had recently purchased a pair of Alvarion backhaul radios and used my > existing (already installed and aimed) Gabriel parabolics from my previous > EX-1 link as opposed to the flat panels that they came with. I was getting > fed up with their whole certified system crap. I asked the enforcement guy > to tell me if I had broken the law. I was very frank and nearly yelling at > the guy. I asked him to wear my shoes for one time and told him the > scenario > and asked him what he would do in my shoes. He promptly told me that there > is no reason to ever break the law. (He never answered the question > because > he did not know if I had broken the law or not. None of them in DC knew > the > answer which was my point) I told him, in front of many in this > association > and on the phone at FCC headquarters to come and arrest me and to be sure > and arrest the 3000 other people who had done the same thing between DC > and > Illinois on the way to get me. If that is not taking a stand and showing > some balls then kiss my rear quarters. I took a stand with enforcement in > DC > for you. So get off my ass. By the way, I'll take my week's removal from > this week for cussing if that was too much. I have had it with Mr. > Conspiracy always slamming us here. So Muddy, when is the last time you > told > a federal official to come and get you in regard to standing up or our > industry? > Scriv > > > On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 5:26 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> This is what I don't get. >> >> I reminded the OP that several ranking members of WISPA have declared >> "objecting to mandates" as "politics". >> >> And, unless I have missed something, WISPA has NEVER officially objected >> to >> a single thing the FCC has wanted or gotten or demanded, and if someone >> suggests they should, immediately, all the long term list members and >> board >> members and committee members start hollering "Stop being political". >> Yet, >> they suggest that our "going along with nicely and with a smile" will buy >> us >> some future favor - the essence of DIRTY POLITICS. >> >> And, over the years, WISPA has officially endorsed and approved of all >> kinds >> of stuff we should have fought tooth and nail. Why? I don't know. I >> can't understand it. We're not on record objecting to anything, but >> many >> of those things have the capability of putting most or all of us out of >> business, especially if future personell in DC, who know nothing of >> representations or negotiations or discussions made historically decide >> to >> re-interpret stuff we've already endorsed in the past tense, which >> basically >> has taken away any legitemate ability TO object credibly in the future. >> >> Yet, here we are, after all the time I've been repeating till I"m blue in >> the face that we need to fight for our survival, and you can easily see >> that >> minor opinion changes in DC could ultimately send us to flipping burgers >> at >> McDonald's. Yet, everyone's blithely going along with the "stop playing >> politics, it's not nice and will embarrass the wannabe future >> politicians >> running WISPA" nonsense. >> >> And now you want to label me "Anarchist"? For what purpose? >> >> Just because I have the math skills of at least a second grader and can >> tell >> that work done for free for the government is bad for my business? Or >> that >> I have 20 years experience in small business and loads of experience in >> how >> mandates and regulation can be idiotically costly and yet accomplish >> minimal >> or no benefit because beaurocracies are horribly incompetent at getting >> stuff done? That doesn't require me to be "political". All it >> requires >> is that I have an IQ above 60 and the ability to recognize reality. >> >> And you find this so threatening, you have to get personal and attempt >> character denigration by callign me "anarchist". What would objecting to >> these things cost YOU? If you're going to claim these things dont' >> benefit >> you, then it must be that you believe in them, and that makes YOU THE >> POLITICAL person, not me. There are political ideologies that believe >> in >> public control over private business and services. If that's your >> motivation, then just come out and admit it. >> >> By golly, it's about time YOU and all the other people who're whining and >> moaning start telling the rest us of just what is in this for you? What >> benefits did you acrue from the CALEA mandates? Reporting mandates? >> Net >> Neutrality mandates? You hoping for quid pro quo future benefits from >> the >> FCC? ( I gotta bunch of tropical beach front property in Montana to sell >> you, then ) You hoping for MONEY, in the form of grants or loans or some >> other taxpayer funding? What is it? >> >> Frankly, I don't want any mandates. I kinda hope that Qwest and Comcast >> get some stupid notion and tick off their customers left and right. If >> they >> do, hurrah for us! >> >> NO mandate of any kind is going to come without cost. And cost is the >> ONE >> thing we cannot bear. The competition is the big guys, cost and service >> differences are THE thing that separate us from them. The more >> mandates, >> regulations, controls, and restrictions on services there are, the fewer >> our >> competitive advantages will be. >> >> Anarchist? hell no. This is just plain old fashioned bottom of the >> spreadsheet common sense. >> >> Now, what the hell is motivating YOU? >> >> >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking >> >> >> > Hyperbole is not helpful to discourse. >> > If you want no FCC go to some other country. >> > Are you really the anarchist you come across as? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 5:06 PM >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking >> > >> > >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2008 9:31 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Report: FCC to Punish Comcast Over Web Blocking >> >> >> >> >> >>> Does the FCC have jurisdiction over all the bit-content passing on >> >>> the >> >>> Internet network or control of a providers management >> >>> of network resources? >> >> >> >> Didn't you know the FCC was holy, and that objecting to anything they >> >> want >> >> is "political" and must be never spoken of here? >> >> >> >> /extreme sarcasm >> >> >> >> We, as an industry, should have been screaming at the top of our >> >> lungs, >> >> writing objections to EVERYTHING the FCC has tried to demand from us >> >> or >> >> take >> >> from us from the day WISPA was a legal entity, till now. And I mean >> >> EVERY >> >> mandate of any kind. >> >> >> >> But no, that's playing "politics". >> >> >> >> When they issue decrees that turn your balance sheet negative and >> >> bankrupt >> >> you, will it still be "political" to object? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >> >> >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > WISPA Wants You! 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