Sorry Mike. I try to limit my time to responding only to serious, thoughtful comments. I don't normally respond to smart-a** comments because I just don't have any time to waste on them.
I expect a more intelligent contribution from someone who works to achieve "Intelligent" Computing Solutions. Mike Hammett wrote: > You "piece" together an Alvarion or Redline IDU and ODU with a piece of IF > cable. > > Just because it requires FCC certification (as does everything) doesn't mean > you can't have antenna selection. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 9:12 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces > > >> Thanks! Something similar (maybe a little more selective and a little >> more money) might work. :) >> >> Regarding the 75-ohm stuff. It's unlikely that we'll be "piecing" this >> stuff together. It's more likely that it will be all assembled and >> certified as a unit. FCC certification is a requirement. >> >> >> Blair Davis wrote: >> >>> Here is one kind I found quick. >>> >>> http://www.tinlee.com/bandpass_filters.php?active=1#CFAL >>> >>> Winegaurd and Channel Master both made them for CATV use and for >>> master antenna distribution systems >>> >>> Jack Unger wrote: >>> >>>> That's good. Do you have a url or two? >>>> >>>> Blair Davis wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> And those are available already. the CATV industry has had them, in >>>>> 75ohm, for a long time. >>>>> >>>>> One thing I really hope for this gear is that the vendors decide to >>>>> make 75ohm gear. There is a HUGE amount of stuff already out there >>>>> that we can use if they do. >>>>> >>>>> Jack Unger wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> That's a very good idea on the transmit side. Remember that our AP >>>>>> receivers will also need a VERY sharp filter ($$$) to keep the >>>>>> adjacent >>>>>> channel TV signal from overloading it and reducing the reception range >>>>>> to ****. >>>>>> >>>>>> jack >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> For adjacent channel use, we don't have to use a 6 MHz channel. We >>>>>>> could >>>>>>> use 5 or 4 or whatever it takes to make it work. >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:32 PM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Directional antennas and other interference-avoidance techniques >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> help but for mass-market use (which is how the vendors visualize the >>>>>>>> TVWS) I suspect that it's going to be a long time before 1st >>>>>>>> adjacent >>>>>>>> channel use will be practical. Still, gaining access to most of the >>>>>>>> non-1st adjacent channels white space is still a big "win" for the >>>>>>>> WISP >>>>>>>> industry. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hopefully forward error correction and directional antennas will >>>>>>>>> make it >>>>>>>>> possible. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 1:19 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Anything's possible but look at the shape of a DTV waveform and >>>>>>>>>> compare >>>>>>>>>> it to the shape of an OFDM broadband wireless signal. Now look at >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> space between those two waveforms if they are on adjacent >>>>>>>>>> channels. It's >>>>>>>>>> kind of like putting two bricks side by side with no space in >>>>>>>>>> between. >>>>>>>>>> Who is going to interfere with who the most? Looks like the DTV >>>>>>>>>> signals >>>>>>>>>> will interfere with our AP receivers AND our CPE transmitters will >>>>>>>>>> interfere with nearby television receivers. Of course, I could be >>>>>>>>>> wrong.... What's your take on it? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Chuck McCown wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps once TVWS gets used and it proves a success, then they >>>>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>>>> open >>>>>>>>>>> up >>>>>>>>>>> adjacent channels. >>>>>>>>>>> Once they do that there will be holes everywhere. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>> From: "Jack Unger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 12:58 PM >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Joe, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The White Spaces are the unused television channels. In most >>>>>>>>>>>> major >>>>>>>>>>>> metro >>>>>>>>>>>> areas, many of the channels are in use by television >>>>>>>>>>>> broadcasters and >>>>>>>>>>>> other licensed users. Outside of major metro areas, there will >>>>>>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>>> unused >>>>>>>>>>>> channels available that you can use. In general, the more rural >>>>>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>>>> are, >>>>>>>>>>>> the more channels will be available. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> jack >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Laura wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Am I hearing correctly that this new space can only be utilized >>>>>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>>>> rural >>>>>>>>>>>>> areas? Not for Citys like New Orleans? TIA >>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Laura >>>>>>>>>>>>> Superior Alarm/Wireless >>>>>>>>>>>>> New Orleans,La. >>>>>>>>>>>>> www.superior1.com >>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Blair Davis >>>>>>>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2008 5:47 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] TV Whitespaces >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ubquity? Some kind of mini-pci card? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Charles Wyble wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Now that TV whitespaces have been approved for our use, let's >>>>>>>>>>>>> hear >>>>>>>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>>>>>>> the vendors. When, how much, and what will you do with it? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Indeed! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Who would the likely vendors in this space be? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Should we put an RFP together and send it around? I sure want >>>>>>>>>>>>> answers >>>>>>>>>>>>> to your questions as well. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ladies and gents: I haven't read all of the published >>>>>>>>>>>>> information >>>>>>>>>>>>> yet, >>>>>>>>>>>>> but this is the second greatest battle we have come across >>>>>>>>>>>>> (second >>>>>>>>>>>>> only >>>>>>>>>>>>> to having unlicensed available in the first place) and we have >>>>>>>>>>>>> won! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Congrats. 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