Daniel, > Quick question, then my response... do all Apex's ship with the fiber port > in them?
I don't know, I don't work for Trango's shipping department. Logically Every item has a price, and I'm sure Sale people factor in or out that price, when giving someone a best custom quote to meet their need. The APEX has an embedded SPF port with EVERY radio made. But its up to the buyer to determine what SPF transiever they get to insert in it. For me.... My Trango quote, included the fiber transiever. > I really have to bite my tounge... I don't want to get into what all > happened (basically I don't want my thoughts made public and the customer > I > was working for to read them) but I was not impressed at all with the > Trango > Giga product... I just helped install nine links last week. All I did was > install and configure the radios, so yes they said 256QAM at 3xx Meg... > but > I didn't get to test it with live data, etc. Note... The Trango Giga is a totally different product than the APEX. They should not be treated as the same. For example, what features require reboots to change, how it handles adaptime modulation, etc. It saying... "256QAM 300mbps" is not enough, to be certain you have a good link. I learned that the first 3 months workign with the Gigas, and any high capacity millimeterwave product. We have a whole slew of tests that we perform to verify performance and link quality. We never just trust that it works. With our APEX link, we put it up, and it worked flawlessly for us, at 366mbps. Testing a link is not always easy at 366mbps. Because the testing tools need to be able to test at that high a speed. > What I will say, the alignment LED is a gimmick. Give me a BNC connector > hooked up to a voltmeter any day. First my voltmeter is going to read to > decimals, which is very helpful aligning long links. Second, the LED is > about worthless if the sun is shining on it, you have to cover it with > your > hands to read the numbers which was difficult on at least one link I was > aligning. Third, positioning on some towers to align the link made > reading > the LED difficult. In my experience, none of those above comments are true. The LED is a very bright LED, compared to any LED Voltmeter that I have ever used. The LED is as optimally positioned as possible. > None of these issues are problems with my voltmeter, I > simply just use a strip of electrical tape and tape it to the ODU where I > want. Thats one way to get around the limitation of not having an LED on your unit. Volt meter, is also an easy way to do it, we used the Voltmeters for our PRoxim 60Ghz installs. But the difficulty in using teh VOltMeter is running out of hands. You have to hold the lead wires to the radio terminals some how. Its easy for a 1ft dish, but not so easy when alignign a 3ft dish. The dish needs to be loose enough to move, but not losse enough for the wind to move. It really helps to have BOTH hands free, when working with aligning the larger dishes. > One thing I did like, the handles on the ODU of the Giga. Made aligning > 3ft > dishes a bit easier... What I don't like, is there is not a real good way to hoist/hook the large antennas up the tower. The only holes to wrap the rope around are holes that need screws through them eventually, or wrapping around the mount that results in it hanging in a different position than it is mounted. But I'm not aware of any other antenna/mount vendor that does it better. As a feature add, I'd like to see a seperate hole at the top of the mount, specifically made for the hoist rope to clip on. > With all of that said, what is the price on the Apex now that the summer > special is long over? Before jumping for Trango, I would encourage anyone > to show me a current quote and to see if I can match it with Dragonwave... > from what I understand I can come damn close :-) I won't talk price on list. But I can tell you that Dragonwave was not able to match the Trango price in my experience. Dragonwave came close, until we started adding on software licenses and Add-ons (like antennas and Hi-Power upgrades) Dragonwave also makes a very nice radio. And the Dragonwave platform has some unique advantages. Some people may be willing to pay more for those advantages. As well, Dragonwave has the advantage of the "Channel" (distributors/resellers) behind it, for those that prefer that. But in my opinion, on a straight hardware/performance/price comparison, the APEX appears to be the new Dragonwave killer. I really couldn't find any flaws in the APEX, yet. > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 12:38 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Trango Apex > > Not sure how many of you have tried the new Trango Apexes yet, but I > thought > > I'd share my recent experience.... > > OK.... 366mbps, 256QAM, Cost me much less than I was expecting. And.... it > just freakin Worked! > WooHoo! Man, I like this radio. > > I specificaly liked the fact that the all outdoor unit, comes with 3 > ports, > 1 fiber, 1 GigE, 1 out-of-band managemnet, and supports inband management > on > > the GigE. > What I thought was unique was that either of the two Ethernet ports could > be > > used to provide the POE power input. And also optionally can just run > stanrdard Electrical wire to the Molex connector instead if prefer. But I > was extremely impressed at the flexibilty in options to install this. The > alignment LED is also awesome, that is positioned in a convenient place > and > shows actual RSSI DB number, as it really speeds up install and made it > possible for one person to accurately align it. > > Also note... The older Giga had some anoying firmware bugs last year in > their Betas (typical of Beta), and I finally got around to upgrading to > the > latest firmwares. (I was 9 months overdue for the task) Guess what... All > the problems are FIXED!! Atleast the ones I knew about. I was really > pleased. I have to say this product line is REALLY coming along nicely. > > Only thing I caution to be aware of is.... It takes a while to fully > understand the relationship of how well your link is performing in > relation > to what the MSE value of the radio is. MSE is the equivellent of > measurement of SNR and distortion. And the ATPC and Adaptive Modulation > thresholds are based on specific MSEs reached. The MSE feature/meter works > good and accurately, it was just an issue of understanding how to > interperate it. > > I was also impreseed on how fast they associate when they are taking out > of > opmode and back on in opmode. Its super quick. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:45 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] WiMax delays? > > >> On Mon, 24 Nov 2008, Travis Johnson wrote: >> >>>I don't think this is entirely true. For us, it becomes a "value" >>>decision. If there was an AP that would deliver 100Mbps and could >>>support 1000 subscribers, I would be willing to pay $10,000+ for it >>>today. There is a real "gap" in the products that are available on >>>the market: >> >> I don't disagree with your assessment of the current product matrix. >> I don't even assume that ALL WISPs are "cheap". I am not sure I >> would say that even MOST of them are cheap. But enough of them are >> that the middle of the road products you want are missing in action. >> >>>Next = Mikrotik >>>Next = Trango, Canopy, etc >> >> Since they have fixed their wireless, I'd put MT in the same class >> as Trango and Canopy. >> >>>So, again, why hasn't there been an evolution of products the last >>>2-3 years? Did everyone stop normal R&D to focus on WiMax? >> >> I have an opinion (which I stated in rant form) about what happened >> to the R&D. The Canopy line (which is a very nice radio) is a good >> example. Motorola has delivered a product that just works. It is >> expensive compared to other products sold to the same "marketplace", >> but it is NOT expensive for what it delivers. Better, yet, they are >> working to make a new product line that will improve upon what is >> available today. But their primary market isn't the "normal" WISP. >> They service companies that are better funded, which typically means >> larger WISPs, cable companies and telcos. >> >> I really hope I didn't offend anyone with my rant. It wasn't >> intended to do that. I really just wish our industry as a whole >> would get out of the hole that we have dug with the "cheaper is >> better" mindframe. >> >> -- >> ******************************************************************** >> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >> ******************************************************************** >> >> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- >> WISPA Wants You! 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