Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on once in a while.
As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll bet they really rock compared to my 286! Have a great Christmas ol' friend! marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > Marlon > > I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole day > behind!!! > > Com'on dude. Its the fifth. > > If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy is > your family gonna be pissed!!! > > LOL > > Change the clock on that 486 machine already > > -B- > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message----- > From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 > To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > > LOL Yeah. > > It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? > > Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the > rules while living within the ones that exist. > > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog????? >> >> Sheesh... >> >> -B- >> >> >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>> And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA. When I think >>> WISPA >>> has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll >>> financially >>> support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, >>> that >>> we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA >>> consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of >>> those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA >>> financially. >>> >>> When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller >>> players" >>> is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may >>> not >>> be >>> official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the >>> past. >>> Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" are >>> the >>> backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in >>> the >>> whole country. >>> >>> Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that >>> costs >>> them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that >>> somehow >>> playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... >>> All >>> that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators >>> change >>> and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the precedents >>> and >>> whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our >>> friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get shorn. >>> >>> Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can I >>> put >>> my name on what they do or give them money. >>> >>> >>> Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to "revision and >>> extension". >>> >>> This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still >>> talking >>> about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and loans >>> available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm >>> twisting >>> contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that >>> much >>> money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the rolodexes. >>> We >>> cannot win that fight with those rules. >>> >>> We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse >>> industry >>> that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental >>> interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively >>> and >>> that betting on the big guys is like buying Enron or Lehman stock. We >>> will >>> never be the providers to the masses, but there can never be affordable >>> ubiquitous broadband without us. >>> >>> That might take some thought and creativity to compose the narration and >>> it >>> might take some skill to sell, but there's simply no rebuttal from >>> Verizon >>> that FIOS is ever going to make a lick of sense in a wide array of >>> places. >>> Or that in an era when Congress really, REALLY needs to get their fiscal >>> act >>> in order, that blowing vast sums to reach few people makes sense. >>> >>> It has to be about selling the value of who and what you are and why you >>> are, not out muscling the big guys for a slice of pie. That can't be >>> won. >>> Further, it obliterations the differences between us and them. That >>> DIFFERENCE is our strength, not our weakness. If you're not thinking in >>> those terms, then some re-thinking needs to happen. >>> >>> What will attract membership is a consistent, clear message about how we >>> have and are building a thriving and healthy industry, even in these >>> economic times, due to the fact that WE ARE NOT THEM and then selling >>> exactly who we are. The people coming back form DC need to talking >>> about >>> how they sold us so well that when we say we need protection from >>> mandates >>> and expensive intrusions, that they listened. The idea of going to DC >>> and >>> being a "we threw a toothpick in the cogs of the big guys and got some >>> money >>> for us" is self defeating. >>> >>> We need to be proactive, not reactive, we need a coherent message and a >>> coherent brand. We need to be defensive of the very thing that makes it >>> possible for our numbers to multiply - freedom to do business without >>> regulatory overhead. We need to not be attempting to joust with the >>> cable >>> operators and telcos over what they want. We need to present something >>> more >>> compelling than "feed our gaping maw so we c an continue our mediocre >>> performance" that the othe guys play. >>> >>> And no, don't tell me to "run for WISPA office". Agitators like myself >>> don't win popularity contests. Besides, I won't put my name on the >>> organization until it changes. I prefer poking a stick in the hornets >>> nest, to letting stuff go along quietly. I've never found that >>> emulating >>> someone else is the sure-fire way to beat them. That is not conducive >>> to >>> winning anything. Go for the whole banana, go for broke, or don't >>> bother. >>> Lead, follow, or get out of the way... I spent the first half of my >>> life >>> being compliant and found life has gotten too short. So, love me or >>> hate >>> me, but for pity's sakes, grow a spine and act like real men with >>> original >>> ideas when you go to lobby DC. The world is so absent real leadership >>> that >>> even the mediocre would stand out if they make an effort these days. >>> >>> I am firmly convinced you could make a serious impact if you think >>> outside >>> the box of present conventions. The whole notion of "raising >>> broadband's >>> definition" to justify federal handouts to industry is so small, so >>> weak, >>> such tired thinking that surely a better notion can be sold. >>> >>> Of course, if that's the best the "membership" can come up with... hell, >>> we >>> probably deserve our fate.. >>> >>> Ok, soapbox gone... >>> >>> I am ever so late today... >>> >>> >>> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>> <insert witty tagline here> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:45 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am open to feedback from you, on what your opinions are, so we >>>>> can decide on a WISPA policy for those questions. >>>>> >>>> Tom, don't get caught up in arguments with him. He is not a WISPA >>>> member (unless that's changed) and as such, his opinion is NOT valid >>>> in shaping WISPA policy. That is a member's right, not his. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> ******************************************************************** >>>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >>>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >>>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>>> ******************************************************************** >>>> >>>> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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