Dude! 2 years ago, maybe three. Wow, I didn't know Windows 3.10 could run so well! Sure makes life a lot easier. marlon
----- Original Message ----- From: "RickG" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > 286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) > > On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on >> once >> in a while. >> >> As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll >> bet they really rock compared to my 286! >> >> Have a great Christmas ol' friend! >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> Marlon >>> >>> I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole >>> day >>> behind!!! >>> >>> Com'on dude. Its the fifth. >>> >>> If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy >>> is >>> your family gonna be pissed!!! >>> >>> LOL >>> >>> Change the clock on that 486 machine already >>> >>> -B- >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 >>> To: WISPA General List<[email protected]> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> >>> LOL Yeah. >>> >>> It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? >>> >>> Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change >>> the >>> rules while living within the ones that exist. >>> >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>> >>> >>>> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog????? >>>> >>>> Sheesh... >>>> >>>> -B- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>>> And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA. When I think >>>>> WISPA >>>>> has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll >>>>> financially >>>>> support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, >>>>> that >>>>> we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA >>>>> consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests >>>>> of >>>>> those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support >>>>> WISPA >>>>> financially. >>>>> >>>>> When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller >>>>> players" >>>>> is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may >>>>> not >>>>> be >>>>> official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the >>>>> past. >>>>> Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" >>>>> are >>>>> the >>>>> backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in >>>>> the >>>>> whole country. >>>>> >>>>> Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that >>>>> costs >>>>> them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that >>>>> somehow >>>>> playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... >>>>> All >>>>> that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators >>>>> change >>>>> and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the >>>>> precedents >>>>> and >>>>> whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our >>>>> friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get >>>>> shorn. >>>>> >>>>> Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can >>>>> I >>>>> put >>>>> my name on what they do or give them money. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to "revision and >>>>> extension". >>>>> >>>>> This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still >>>>> talking >>>>> about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and >>>>> loans >>>>> available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm >>>>> twisting >>>>> contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that >>>>> much >>>>> money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the >>>>> rolodexes. >>>>> We >>>>> cannot win that fight with those rules. >>>>> >>>>> We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse >>>>> industry >>>>> that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental >>>>> interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively >>>>> and >>>>> that betting on the big guys is like buying Enron or Lehman stock. >>>>> We >>>>> will >>>>> never be the providers to the masses, but there can never be >>>>> affordable >>>>> ubiquitous broadband without us. >>>>> >>>>> That might take some thought and creativity to compose the narration >>>>> and >>>>> it >>>>> might take some skill to sell, but there's simply no rebuttal from >>>>> Verizon >>>>> that FIOS is ever going to make a lick of sense in a wide array of >>>>> places. >>>>> Or that in an era when Congress really, REALLY needs to get their >>>>> fiscal >>>>> act >>>>> in order, that blowing vast sums to reach few people makes sense. >>>>> >>>>> It has to be about selling the value of who and what you are and why >>>>> you >>>>> are, not out muscling the big guys for a slice of pie. That can't be >>>>> won. >>>>> Further, it obliterations the differences between us and them. That >>>>> DIFFERENCE is our strength, not our weakness. If you're not thinking >>>>> in >>>>> those terms, then some re-thinking needs to happen. >>>>> >>>>> What will attract membership is a consistent, clear message about how >>>>> we >>>>> have and are building a thriving and healthy industry, even in these >>>>> economic times, due to the fact that WE ARE NOT THEM and then selling >>>>> exactly who we are. The people coming back form DC need to talking >>>>> about >>>>> how they sold us so well that when we say we need protection from >>>>> mandates >>>>> and expensive intrusions, that they listened. The idea of going to >>>>> DC >>>>> and >>>>> being a "we threw a toothpick in the cogs of the big guys and got some >>>>> money >>>>> for us" is self defeating. >>>>> >>>>> We need to be proactive, not reactive, we need a coherent message and >>>>> a >>>>> coherent brand. We need to be defensive of the very thing that makes >>>>> it >>>>> possible for our numbers to multiply - freedom to do business without >>>>> regulatory overhead. We need to not be attempting to joust with the >>>>> cable >>>>> operators and telcos over what they want. We need to present >>>>> something >>>>> more >>>>> compelling than "feed our gaping maw so we c an continue our mediocre >>>>> performance" that the othe guys play. >>>>> >>>>> And no, don't tell me to "run for WISPA office". Agitators like >>>>> myself >>>>> don't win popularity contests. Besides, I won't put my name on the >>>>> organization until it changes. I prefer poking a stick in the >>>>> hornets >>>>> nest, to letting stuff go along quietly. I've never found that >>>>> emulating >>>>> someone else is the sure-fire way to beat them. That is not >>>>> conducive >>>>> to >>>>> winning anything. Go for the whole banana, go for broke, or don't >>>>> bother. >>>>> Lead, follow, or get out of the way... I spent the first half of my >>>>> life >>>>> being compliant and found life has gotten too short. So, love me or >>>>> hate >>>>> me, but for pity's sakes, grow a spine and act like real men with >>>>> original >>>>> ideas when you go to lobby DC. The world is so absent real >>>>> leadership >>>>> that >>>>> even the mediocre would stand out if they make an effort these days. >>>>> >>>>> I am firmly convinced you could make a serious impact if you think >>>>> outside >>>>> the box of present conventions. The whole notion of "raising >>>>> broadband's >>>>> definition" to justify federal handouts to industry is so small, so >>>>> weak, >>>>> such tired thinking that surely a better notion can be sold. >>>>> >>>>> Of course, if that's the best the "membership" can come up with... >>>>> hell, >>>>> we >>>>> probably deserve our fate.. >>>>> >>>>> Ok, soapbox gone... >>>>> >>>>> I am ever so late today... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> <insert witty tagline here> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:45 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am open to feedback from you, on what your opinions are, so we >>>>>>> can decide on a WISPA policy for those questions. >>>>>>> >>>>>> Tom, don't get caught up in arguments with him. He is not a WISPA >>>>>> member (unless that's changed) and as such, his opinion is NOT valid >>>>>> in shaping WISPA policy. That is a member's right, not his. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>>>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>>>>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >>>>>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >>>>>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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