286? When did you upgrade from your 8088? :) On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 8:53 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Shoot, I've given up on some threads for the most part. I just pop on once > in a while. > > As for 486, when did those come out? I need to get me one of them. I'll > bet they really rock compared to my 286! > > Have a great Christmas ol' friend! > marlon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 5:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article > > >> Marlon >> >> I know you guys out there in the woods are a little behind but a whole day >> behind!!! >> >> Com'on dude. Its the fifth. >> >> If you don't change it now you are gonna be late for Christmas and boy is >> your family gonna be pissed!!! >> >> LOL >> >> Change the clock on that 486 machine already >> >> -B- >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 18:56:35 >> To: WISPA General List<wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >> LOL Yeah. >> >> It's much easier to whine than it is to join and help improve things eh? >> >> Mark, you still fail to grasp the difference between working to change the >> rules while living within the ones that exist. >> >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Bob Moldashel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 11:38 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >> >> >>> Wow...OK Who peed in the Muddy Water and hit the Frog????? >>> >>> Sheesh... >>> >>> -B- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >>>> And I won't be. I was once and put money into WISPA. When I think >>>> WISPA >>>> has the interests of all WISPS in mind when they act, then I'll >>>> financially >>>> support it. When WISPA goes to washington DC and represents to them, >>>> that >>>> we actually WANT to be regulated, I cannot support them. When WISPA >>>> consistently fights FOR all of us, and not just the narrow interests of >>>> those who want federal money or whatever, then I may again support WISPA >>>> financially. >>>> >>>> When the attitude that "consolidation and shaking out the smaller >>>> players" >>>> is a good thing goes away, then there's on more barrier down. It may >>>> not >>>> be >>>> official, but people who make decisions in WISPA have said that in the >>>> past. >>>> Sorry, you lost me with that one. Small business and "mom and pop" are >>>> the >>>> backbone of our economy and make up a huge segment of all the jobs in >>>> the >>>> whole country. >>>> >>>> Every other industry organization unabashedly opposes everything that >>>> costs >>>> them or can harm them, but the leadership continues to insist that >>>> somehow >>>> playing nice and agreeing to mandates and costs will buy us favor... >>>> All >>>> that happens is the mandates and agreements happen, the regulators >>>> change >>>> and all the "goodwill" supposedly bought evaportes, with the precedents >>>> and >>>> whatnot remain. Until they understand that Washington DC is NEVER our >>>> friend, never to be trusted, then we're just sheep waiting to get shorn. >>>> >>>> Until this fundamental approach changes, no way in good conscience can I >>>> put >>>> my name on what they do or give them money. >>>> >>>> >>>> Sorry, that's just my opinion and it's not subject to "revision and >>>> extension". >>>> >>>> This same attitude is going on still. WISPA leadership is still >>>> talking >>>> about trying to out maneuver the big boys so as to make grants and loans >>>> available. Cripes. Yeah, like we're ever going to win the arm >>>> twisting >>>> contest to bend it in our direction? We don't collectively have that >>>> much >>>> money or lobbyists tin DC to get our names to the top of the rolodexes. >>>> We >>>> cannot win that fight with those rules. >>>> >>>> We have got to start selling the value of a thriving and diverse >>>> industry >>>> that exists solely due to lack of regulation and lack of governmental >>>> interference and that the big players cannot play our game effectively >>>> and >>>> that betting on the big guys is like buying Enron or Lehman stock. We >>>> will >>>> never be the providers to the masses, but there can never be affordable >>>> ubiquitous broadband without us. >>>> >>>> That might take some thought and creativity to compose the narration and >>>> it >>>> might take some skill to sell, but there's simply no rebuttal from >>>> Verizon >>>> that FIOS is ever going to make a lick of sense in a wide array of >>>> places. >>>> Or that in an era when Congress really, REALLY needs to get their fiscal >>>> act >>>> in order, that blowing vast sums to reach few people makes sense. >>>> >>>> It has to be about selling the value of who and what you are and why you >>>> are, not out muscling the big guys for a slice of pie. That can't be >>>> won. >>>> Further, it obliterations the differences between us and them. That >>>> DIFFERENCE is our strength, not our weakness. If you're not thinking in >>>> those terms, then some re-thinking needs to happen. >>>> >>>> What will attract membership is a consistent, clear message about how we >>>> have and are building a thriving and healthy industry, even in these >>>> economic times, due to the fact that WE ARE NOT THEM and then selling >>>> exactly who we are. The people coming back form DC need to talking >>>> about >>>> how they sold us so well that when we say we need protection from >>>> mandates >>>> and expensive intrusions, that they listened. The idea of going to DC >>>> and >>>> being a "we threw a toothpick in the cogs of the big guys and got some >>>> money >>>> for us" is self defeating. >>>> >>>> We need to be proactive, not reactive, we need a coherent message and a >>>> coherent brand. We need to be defensive of the very thing that makes it >>>> possible for our numbers to multiply - freedom to do business without >>>> regulatory overhead. We need to not be attempting to joust with the >>>> cable >>>> operators and telcos over what they want. We need to present something >>>> more >>>> compelling than "feed our gaping maw so we c an continue our mediocre >>>> performance" that the othe guys play. >>>> >>>> And no, don't tell me to "run for WISPA office". Agitators like myself >>>> don't win popularity contests. Besides, I won't put my name on the >>>> organization until it changes. I prefer poking a stick in the hornets >>>> nest, to letting stuff go along quietly. I've never found that >>>> emulating >>>> someone else is the sure-fire way to beat them. That is not conducive >>>> to >>>> winning anything. Go for the whole banana, go for broke, or don't >>>> bother. >>>> Lead, follow, or get out of the way... I spent the first half of my >>>> life >>>> being compliant and found life has gotten too short. So, love me or >>>> hate >>>> me, but for pity's sakes, grow a spine and act like real men with >>>> original >>>> ideas when you go to lobby DC. The world is so absent real leadership >>>> that >>>> even the mediocre would stand out if they make an effort these days. >>>> >>>> I am firmly convinced you could make a serious impact if you think >>>> outside >>>> the box of present conventions. The whole notion of "raising >>>> broadband's >>>> definition" to justify federal handouts to industry is so small, so >>>> weak, >>>> such tired thinking that surely a better notion can be sold. >>>> >>>> Of course, if that's the best the "membership" can come up with... hell, >>>> we >>>> probably deserve our fate.. >>>> >>>> Ok, soapbox gone... >>>> >>>> I am ever so late today... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> <insert witty tagline here> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Butch Evans" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 6:45 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Article >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, Tom DeReggi wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I am open to feedback from you, on what your opinions are, so we >>>>>> can decide on a WISPA policy for those questions. >>>>>> >>>>> Tom, don't get caught up in arguments with him. He is not a WISPA >>>>> member (unless that's changed) and as such, his opinion is NOT valid >>>>> in shaping WISPA policy. That is a member's right, not his. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>>> * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* >>>>> * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * >>>>> * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * >>>>> * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * >>>>> ******************************************************************** >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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