But, can you get ethernet cable that will stand up to sandblasting a water tank? -RickG
On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jeff Ehman <[email protected]> wrote: > You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV protection > and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of people I > have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of cable available > and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty confusing and they > overcharge all the time. It really isn't their fault, but I don't think > they fully understand cable manufacturing. Most of the electrical > distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in their area. > It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of mind share. > > -Jeff > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM > To: [email protected]; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they are > for the young > > I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our > equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > Here is an idea for the tower sites....Run your cat5 in electrical > conduit, > > the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. > > I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 > > years now. > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > From: Marlon K. Schafer <[email protected]> > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they > > are for the young > > > To: [email protected] > > > Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM > > > I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple > > > have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet > > > jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry > > > the parts with me. > > > > > > I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates > > > in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe > > > situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I > > > know that connections are almost always the reason for a > > > failure so I want the fewest possible. > > > > > > We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a > > > vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little > > > ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. > > > > > > Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 > > > cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired > > > of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost > > > exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's > > > sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad > > > cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! > > > > > > Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to > > > use instead of this black stuff we're using now. > > > > > > laters, > > > marlon > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Miller" > > > <[email protected]> > > > To: "Marlon K. Schafer" > > > <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM > > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs > > > yourself,they are for the young > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just had to ask......very interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > >> From: Marlon K. Schafer > > > <[email protected]> > > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing > > > installs yourself,they are for the young > > > >> To: [email protected], "WISPA General > > > List" <[email protected]> > > > >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM > > > >> Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or > > > something > > > >> when ever > > > >> possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a > > > big, > > > >> ugly wall plate. > > > >> > > > >> marlon > > > >> > > > >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe > > > Miller" <[email protected]> > > > >> To: "WISPA General List" > > > >> <[email protected]> > > > >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM > > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing > > > installs > > > >> yourself,they are > > > >> for the young > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > Marlon, > > > >> > > > > >> > You are joking......right? > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer > > > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >> From: Marlon K. Schafer > > > >> <[email protected]> > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop > > > doing > > > >> installs yourself, they > > > >> >> are for the young > > > >> >> To: "WISPA General List" > > > >> <[email protected]> > > > >> >> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM > > > >> >> Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try > > > to get > > > >> the hole > > > >> >> right at the top > > > >> >> of the baseboards. Then, someday when > > > all this is > > > >> gone and > > > >> >> some new > > > >> >> technology (TV band with no external > > > antenna?) > > > >> replaces it > > > >> >> they'll just have > > > >> >> to plug one small hole and give it a dab > > > of paint! > > > >> >> marlon > > > >> >> > > > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > > > From: "Scott Reed" > > > >> >> <[email protected]> > > > >> >> To: "WISPA General List" > > > >> >> <[email protected]> > > > >> >> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM > > > >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop > > > doing > > > >> installs > > > >> >> yourself, they are > > > >> >> for the young > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > Don't they still make plates > > > with just a > > > >> 1/4" > > > >> >> hole in it. 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