There's at least two us that use the enormous mowhawk cable on towers and really good Belden elsewhere.
On 3/6/09, Blair Davis <the...@wmwisp.net> wrote: > We moved to a shielded, weatherproof, outdoor cat5E 3 years ago. best thing > we ever did to improve ap and cpe stability. > > Jeff Ehman wrote: >> >> You can find good quality outdoor cable that is certified for UV >> protection and harsh weather conditions (last WAY over 3 years). A lot of >> people I have talked to are not fully aware of the different types of >> cable available and just go to a Belden rep somewhere. It can be pretty >> confusing and they overcharge all the time. It really isn't their fault, >> but I don't think they fully understand cable manufacturing. Most of the >> electrical distribution guys just buy small amounts of Cat5 for people in >> their area. It isn't a large part of their business so it isn't top of >> mind share. >> >> -Jeff >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 1:26 PM >> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself, they >> are for the young >> >> I stacked 15 - 20' sections of the grey pvc up to the 300' level where our >> equipment was located. What a job that was! -RickG >> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 11:30 AM, Joe Miller <joe.mil...@dslbyair.com> >> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> Here is an idea for the tower sites....Run your cat5 in electrical >>> conduit, >>> the gray PVC type. That way the cat5 will be protected from the weather. >>> I've done this and I haven't had to replace cat5 on the towers on over 3 >>> years now. >>> >>> >>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer <o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> From: Marlon K. Schafer <o...@odessaoffice.com> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs yourself,they >>>> >>> >>> are for the young >>> >>>> >>>> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com >>>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 10:06 AM >>>> I have had a few customers look at us crosswise. A couple >>>> have even asked for wall plates, or had us install ethernet >>>> jacks. We'll do this if asked, but I don't carry >>>> the parts with me. >>>> >>>> I also try REALLY hard to NOT put any ethernet wall plates >>>> in. I don't want the extra connection in a poe >>>> situation. It's probably fine, but as an ex lineman I >>>> know that connections are almost always the reason for a >>>> failure so I want the fewest possible. >>>> >>>> We try to hide all cable as much as possible, we ask for a >>>> vacuum to clean up any drillings, we do NOT leave the little >>>> ends from the cat5 crimps laying around - not even outside. >>>> >>>> Hell, until recently we always ran indoor WHITE cat 5 >>>> cable. People REALLY liked that, I have just gotten tired >>>> of cables with water in them. Luckily it seems to almost >>>> exclusively happen at my towers not at the customer's >>>> sites. It's usually cheap and easy to replace the bad >>>> cable and ruined poe. But I hate service calls! >>>> >>>> Sure wish I could find a double insulated white cable to >>>> use instead of this black stuff we're using now. >>>> >>>> laters, >>>> marlon >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Miller" >>>> <joe.mil...@dslbyair.com> >>>> To: "Marlon K. Schafer" >>>> <o...@odessaoffice.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 7:59 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing installs >>>> yourself,they are for the young >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I just had to ask......very interesting. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer >>>>> >>>> >>>> <o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> From: Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>> >>>> >>>> <o...@odessaoffice.com> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing >>>>>> >>>> >>>> installs yourself,they are for the young >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: joe.mil...@dslbyair.com, "WISPA General >>>>>> >>>> >>>> List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 9:51 AM >>>>>> Not at all. We hide the holes behind a desk or >>>>>> >>>> >>>> something >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> when ever >>>>>> possible. You'll never notice them. Unlike a >>>>>> >>>> >>>> big, >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ugly wall plate. >>>>>> >>>>>> marlon >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe >>>>>> >>>> >>>> Miller" <joemiller...@yahoo.com> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 6:40 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop doing >>>>>> >>>> >>>> installs >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> yourself,they are >>>>>> for the young >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marlon, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You are joking......right? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --- On Fri, 3/6/09, Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: Marlon K. Schafer >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <o...@odessaoffice.com> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> doing >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> installs yourself, they >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> are for the young >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date: Friday, March 6, 2009, 8:30 AM >>>>>>>> Who uses wall plates anyway? We just try >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> to get >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> the hole >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> right at the top >>>>>>>> of the baseboards. Then, someday when >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> all this is >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> gone and >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> some new >>>>>>>> technology (TV band with no external >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> antenna?) >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> replaces it >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> they'll just have >>>>>>>> to plug one small hole and give it a dab >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> of paint! >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> marlon >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Scott Reed" >>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <scottr...@onlyinternet.net> >>>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" >>>>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:08 AM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Knowing when to stop >>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> doing >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> installs >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yourself, they are >>>>>>>> for the young >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Don't they still make plates >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>> with just a >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 1/4" >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hole in it. 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