Yes, big headaches from AT&T most of my career. If I find anotehr way to
make money, I think I'll sell broadband cheaper than they will do until they
have no more customers around here! -RickG

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 1:38 AM, Chadd Thompson <chad...@msn.com> wrote:

> Been there done that.
>
> We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't remove
> our billing on some old circuits after they forced us to upgrade from the
> old SBC network. We paid it for a few months because our account rep said
> it
> would be fixed and they would credit our account for what we over paid.
> Well
> they didn't get it fixed and we stopped paying it, our account rep assured
> us it was nothing to worry about and that it would be taken care of. Well 8
> months later the ATT collections dept was calling me saying they were going
> to turn us over to an outside collection agency. A quick call to my account
> rep and then one to the IL commerce commission had the problem taken care
> of
> in about 2 weeks.
>
> Sounds like you have had similar issues with them but you have no idea how
> much grief ATT/SBC has caused me over the last 6 yrs we have been in
> business. I wish I could get away from them but at this point in time no
> one
> seems to be able to help us out down here.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
> Behalf Of RickG
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
>
> Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing
> issues! -RickG
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Chadd Thompson <chad...@msn.com> wrote:
>
> > Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial
> > DS3.
> >
> > 10mb: $4300
> > 20mb: $4788
> > 30mb: $5300
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on
> > Behalf Of Mike Hammett
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> > It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I
> > won't
> > say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k.
> >
> > The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet
> > justification.
> >
> >
> > -----
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Richey" <myli...@battleop.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM
> > To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> >
> > > /rant on
> > >
> > > Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a
> > market
> > > where it's not cost effective to multi home.  Where many people might
> get
> > > a
> > > DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month.
> For
> > > those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their
> > > connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home
> in
> > > the
> > > beginning.
> > >
> > > If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will
> give
> > > you an allocation.  I have had problems in the past with a similar
> > > situation
> > > where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to
> allocate
> > > any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN.  ARIN would not do
> anything
> > > until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem.
> > >
> > > The policy should be different for an ISP.   If you are a small ISP
> > > multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22.  It makes it hard
> for
> > > the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP
> blocks
> > > are non portable.
> > >
> > > /rant off
> > >
> > > Richey
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Cliff Olle
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM
> > > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> > >
> > > I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30
> > days
> > > or they could revoke my IP's.  Would they allot a /20 in the case you
> are
> > > only using 4 class Cs?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Scott Piehn
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM
> > > To: WISPA General List
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> > >
> > > One add to the /22.  You need to be or plan to be running BGP.
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Thomas" <jtho...@quarnet.com>
> > > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 9:54 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN
> > >
> > >
> > >> If you are multihomed you need to justify a /22 ( 4 Class C's) and if
> > >> you are not, then you will need to justify a /20  ( 16 class C's)
> > >>
> > >> John
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
> > >>> We probably need to get our own ip addys now.  We're using 4 class
> c's
> > >>> and
> > >>> will need more pretty soon in one location.
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyone know a consultant that can help with the application process?
> > >>>
> > >>> marlon
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