I would tell you to ask the ISP in San Jose about ATT's billing practices, but they are no longer in business. It seems that 1 day they got a bill for some stupid amount of outbound minutes for their *inbound only* T-1's and were given hours to pay or they would be shut off. They weren't able to react quickly enough and ATT pulled the plug. Apparently this has been a common problem as I have heard of others in the same boat.
John Chadd Thompson wrote: > Been there done that. > > We were getting double billed for about 8 months because they didn't remove > our billing on some old circuits after they forced us to upgrade from the > old SBC network. We paid it for a few months because our account rep said it > would be fixed and they would credit our account for what we over paid. Well > they didn't get it fixed and we stopped paying it, our account rep assured > us it was nothing to worry about and that it would be taken care of. Well 8 > months later the ATT collections dept was calling me saying they were going > to turn us over to an outside collection agency. A quick call to my account > rep and then one to the IL commerce commission had the problem taken care of > in about 2 weeks. > > Sounds like you have had similar issues with them but you have no idea how > much grief ATT/SBC has caused me over the last 6 yrs we have been in > business. I wish I could get away from them but at this point in time no one > seems to be able to help us out down here. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:49 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN > > Of course, they'll bill you 10 times that and never fix their billing > issues! -RickG > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Chadd Thompson <chad...@msn.com> wrote: > > >> Here are some quotes that I received a while back from ATT for a partial >> DS3. >> >> 10mb: $4300 >> 20mb: $4788 >> 30mb: $5300 >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on >> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 1:33 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> It would be possible to get a wireless link off the Sears Tower (no, I >> won't >> say the new name), but a DS3 delivered here is well over $5k. >> >> The provider must always provide you with IPs, assuming you meet >> justification. >> >> >> ----- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Richey" <myli...@battleop.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:39 AM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >> >> >>> /rant on >>> >>> Dealing with Arin is frustrating if you are a smaller provider in a >>> >> market >> >>> where it's not cost effective to multi home. Where many people might >>> > get > >>> a >>> DS3 for as little as $1500/mo or less, some may pay $3,000+/month. For >>> those who are in more rural areas stuck paying high prices for their >>> connection to the backbone it's just not cost effective to multi home in >>> the >>> beginning. >>> >>> If you are single homed you must use /20 (4096 IPs) before they will >>> > give > >>> you an allocation. I have had problems in the past with a similar >>> situation >>> where a network was using 12 class c and the upstream refused to >>> > allocate > >>> any more IPs saying we needed to go to ARIN. ARIN would not do anything >>> until we were using a /20 so it became a chicken or the egg problem. >>> >>> The policy should be different for an ISP. If you are a small ISP >>> multi-homed or not you should be able to get a /22. It makes it hard >>> > for > >>> the smaller provider to change backbone providers because their IP >>> > blocks > >>> are non portable. >>> >>> /rant off >>> >>> Richey >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Cliff Olle >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 9:02 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >>> >>> I was told that I would have to have BGP and be multi-homed within 30 >>> >> days >> >>> or they could revoke my IP's. Would they allot a /20 in the case you >>> > are > >>> only using 4 class Cs? >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Scott Piehn >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:29 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] speaking of ARIN >>> >>> One add to the /22. 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