Anything that states by signing up here you have to agree to this 24 month contract or whatever.
Kind of like those sites that say click agree if you're 18 or older - that keeps them from legal trouble. On 6/9/09, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > Thats fine in paper form. How about electronic? (i.e website signup). -RickG > > On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Josh > Luthman<[email protected]> wrote: >> Our contract has the number of months and the start date at the top. >> >> I would imagine as long as you're paying, you're in contract and must >> abide >> by the terms and conditions. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >> improbable, must be the truth." >> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 12:15 PM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> For how long? 1 year or for life? >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mike Hammett<[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > I think I learned in high school business law class that payment of a >>> bill >>> > constitutes agreement with a contract. >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- >>> > Mike Hammett >>> > Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> > http://www.ics-il.com >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -------------------------------------------------- >>> > From: "RickG" <[email protected]> >>> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:47 PM >>> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures >>> > >>> >> Right on TOS and AUP but not the contract. If I understand contractual >>> >> agreements correctly, all terms must be clear to both parties. So, >>> >> just cause I pay a bill doesnt mean I understand my full obligations >>> >> such as length of terms, etc. I suspect that presenting the actual >>> >> contract electronically when the customer signs up provides full >>> >> disclosure but I'd love to hear from anyone that is using it now an >>> >> dif their lawyer blessed the proceedure. >>> >> -RickG >>> >> >>> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, D. Ryan Spott<[email protected]> >>> >> wrote: >>> >>> I think in most states paying the bill obligates you to the terms of >>> >>> service/contract. >>> >>> >>> >>> ryan >>> >>> >>> >>> Charles Wyble wrote: >>> >>>> Ah. Gotcha. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> Thanks for clarifying. >>> >>>> >>> >>>> RickG wrote: >>> >>>> >>> >>>>> Having an AUP is fine but it doesnt spell out the terms of a >>> >>>>> specific >>> >>>>> obligation between you & the end user. The big carriers obligate >>> >>>>> you >>> >>>>> to two year contracts when you agree online so I'm assuming we can >>> >>>>> do >>> >>>>> the same. >>> >>>>> -RickG >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Charles >>> >>>>> Wyble<[email protected] >>> > >>> >>>>> wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> >>>>>> The big carriers don't require a signature on a contract. They >>> >>>>>> also >>> >>>>>> don't do (free/near free) installs either. I don't know if there >>> >>>>>> is >>> a >>> >>>>>> signed contract if you pay for an install. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Yes I realize this is a very important differentiator that we can >>> >>>>>> provide, however I don't feel a signed contract is necessary. An >>> >>>>>> AUP >>> >>>>>> is >>> >>>>>> an excellent idea as a general rule, however if they are >>> >>>>>> transiting >>> >>>>>> bits >>> >>>>>> on your network, you have the right and obligation to defend that >>> >>>>>> network. If you don't, you risk other operators dropping traffic >>> from >>> >>>>>> your IP rnage /AS. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Your free to enforce your AUP with impunity. Failure to do so is >>> >>>>>> the >>> >>>>>> sole reason that "bits of evil" reach our border routers. A few >>> simple >>> >>>>>> route filters, and spam/botnets would be stopped. Subscribe to the >>> >>>>>> Don't >>> >>>>>> Route Or Peer List from Spamhaus >>> >>>>>> (http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/index.lasso), and monitor outbound >>> >>>>>> traffic. >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> *sighs* >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>> Martha Huizenga wrote: >>> >>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Exactly, we send the contract with the install and then get it >>> >>>>>>> back >>> >>>>>>> when >>> >>>>>>> the install is done. Works fine. >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>> Jason Hensley wrote: >>> >>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> Wow. Seems like a waste of time and resources. If I mailed >>> contracts >>> >>>>>>>> like >>> >>>>>>>> that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they >>> would >>> >>>>>>>> never >>> >>>>>>>> send the contract back. Send a contract with the installer, get >>> them >>> >>>>>>>> to >>> >>>>>>>> sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring >>> >>>>>>>> one >>> >>>>>>>> back, done >>> >>>>>>>> deal. If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial >>> confirmation, >>> >>>>>>>> then >>> >>>>>>>> get an actual signature at install. >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>> >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto: >>> [email protected]] >>> >>>>>>>> On >>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Scott Reed >>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM >>> >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>> >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures >>> >>>>>>>> >>> >>>>>>>> We currently use a two-year contract for customers. 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