For how long? 1 year or for life? On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Mike Hammett<[email protected]> wrote: > I think I learned in high school business law class that payment of a bill > constitutes agreement with a contract. > > > ----- > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "RickG" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:47 PM > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures > >> Right on TOS and AUP but not the contract. If I understand contractual >> agreements correctly, all terms must be clear to both parties. So, >> just cause I pay a bill doesnt mean I understand my full obligations >> such as length of terms, etc. I suspect that presenting the actual >> contract electronically when the customer signs up provides full >> disclosure but I'd love to hear from anyone that is using it now an >> dif their lawyer blessed the proceedure. >> -RickG >> >> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, D. Ryan Spott<[email protected]> wrote: >>> I think in most states paying the bill obligates you to the terms of >>> service/contract. >>> >>> ryan >>> >>> Charles Wyble wrote: >>>> Ah. Gotcha. >>>> >>>> Thanks for clarifying. >>>> >>>> RickG wrote: >>>> >>>>> Having an AUP is fine but it doesnt spell out the terms of a specific >>>>> obligation between you & the end user. The big carriers obligate you >>>>> to two year contracts when you agree online so I'm assuming we can do >>>>> the same. >>>>> -RickG >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Charles Wyble<[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The big carriers don't require a signature on a contract. They also >>>>>> don't do (free/near free) installs either. I don't know if there is a >>>>>> signed contract if you pay for an install. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yes I realize this is a very important differentiator that we can >>>>>> provide, however I don't feel a signed contract is necessary. An AUP >>>>>> is >>>>>> an excellent idea as a general rule, however if they are transiting >>>>>> bits >>>>>> on your network, you have the right and obligation to defend that >>>>>> network. If you don't, you risk other operators dropping traffic from >>>>>> your IP rnage /AS. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Your free to enforce your AUP with impunity. Failure to do so is the >>>>>> sole reason that "bits of evil" reach our border routers. A few simple >>>>>> route filters, and spam/botnets would be stopped. Subscribe to the >>>>>> Don't >>>>>> Route Or Peer List from Spamhaus >>>>>> (http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/index.lasso), and monitor outbound >>>>>> traffic. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> *sighs* >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Martha Huizenga wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Exactly, we send the contract with the install and then get it back >>>>>>> when >>>>>>> the install is done. Works fine. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jason Hensley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wow. Seems like a waste of time and resources. If I mailed contracts >>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>> that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they would >>>>>>>> never >>>>>>>> send the contract back. Send a contract with the installer, get them >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one >>>>>>>> back, done >>>>>>>> deal. If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial confirmation, >>>>>>>> then >>>>>>>> get an actual signature at install. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Scott Reed >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM >>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> We currently use a two-year contract for customers. Right now we >>>>>>>> gather >>>>>>>> the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and >>>>>>>> wait >>>>>>>> for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an >>>>>>>> installation. We would like to reduce the time from initial contact >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> installation. One option we are looking at is "electronic signature" >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but >>>>>>>> thought it >>>>>>>> would be good to get some other input. >>>>>>>> If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it? >>>>>>>> If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you >>>>>>>> use? >>>>>>>> What is good about them? What is not so good? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>>>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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