I think I learned in high school business law class that payment of a bill constitutes agreement with a contract.
----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "RickG" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:47 PM To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures > Right on TOS and AUP but not the contract. If I understand contractual > agreements correctly, all terms must be clear to both parties. So, > just cause I pay a bill doesnt mean I understand my full obligations > such as length of terms, etc. I suspect that presenting the actual > contract electronically when the customer signs up provides full > disclosure but I'd love to hear from anyone that is using it now an > dif their lawyer blessed the proceedure. > -RickG > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, D. Ryan Spott<[email protected]> wrote: >> I think in most states paying the bill obligates you to the terms of >> service/contract. >> >> ryan >> >> Charles Wyble wrote: >>> Ah. Gotcha. >>> >>> Thanks for clarifying. >>> >>> RickG wrote: >>> >>>> Having an AUP is fine but it doesnt spell out the terms of a specific >>>> obligation between you & the end user. The big carriers obligate you >>>> to two year contracts when you agree online so I'm assuming we can do >>>> the same. >>>> -RickG >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Charles Wyble<[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> The big carriers don't require a signature on a contract. They also >>>>> don't do (free/near free) installs either. I don't know if there is a >>>>> signed contract if you pay for an install. >>>>> >>>>> Yes I realize this is a very important differentiator that we can >>>>> provide, however I don't feel a signed contract is necessary. An AUP >>>>> is >>>>> an excellent idea as a general rule, however if they are transiting >>>>> bits >>>>> on your network, you have the right and obligation to defend that >>>>> network. If you don't, you risk other operators dropping traffic from >>>>> your IP rnage /AS. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Your free to enforce your AUP with impunity. Failure to do so is the >>>>> sole reason that "bits of evil" reach our border routers. A few simple >>>>> route filters, and spam/botnets would be stopped. Subscribe to the >>>>> Don't >>>>> Route Or Peer List from Spamhaus >>>>> (http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/index.lasso), and monitor outbound >>>>> traffic. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *sighs* >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Martha Huizenga wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Exactly, we send the contract with the install and then get it back >>>>>> when >>>>>> the install is done. Works fine. >>>>>> >>>>>> Jason Hensley wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Wow. Seems like a waste of time and resources. If I mailed contracts >>>>>>> like >>>>>>> that here I'd lose half my install opportunities because they would >>>>>>> never >>>>>>> send the contract back. Send a contract with the installer, get them >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> sign it before they install, give one copy to customer, bring one >>>>>>> back, done >>>>>>> deal. If nothing else, get an electronic as an initial confirmation, >>>>>>> then >>>>>>> get an actual signature at install. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >>>>>>> On >>>>>>> Behalf Of Scott Reed >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 6:42 AM >>>>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Electronic Signatures >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We currently use a two-year contract for customers. Right now we >>>>>>> gather >>>>>>> the information, generate a contract, USMail it to the customer and >>>>>>> wait >>>>>>> for them to USMail it back after they sign it before we schedule an >>>>>>> installation. We would like to reduce the time from initial contact >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> installation. One option we are looking at is "electronic signature" >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> the contract. We have done some research into doing this, but >>>>>>> thought it >>>>>>> would be good to get some other input. >>>>>>> If you do electronic signatures, how do you do it? >>>>>>> If you use a third party to "certify" the signatures, who do you >>>>>>> use? >>>>>>> What is good about them? What is not so good? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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