Panduit has a boat load of zip ties... I work part time in their central warehouse.
http://www.panduit.com/Products/ProductOverviews/CableTies/index.htm ----- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Scott Reed" <scottr...@onlyinternet.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 10:57 AM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installs on Towers, what's your method? > I have a tower with UV plastic jacket stainless steel ties. I think > they are Panduit. Install like normal ties. Wider than normal and > should last forever. Not cheap, but ... > > Some tower also has rubber coated loops with screw holes. I did not > supply them, so not sure where to find them. Screwed them to the wire > ladder. Not as easy as ties, but wide and removable/reusable. > > Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >> I have not seen any zip ties hold up. Even the supposedly uv rated ones. >> >> The BEST I've seen so far (learned this from an old time linesman) is to >> use >> a big, uv rated zip tie to hold things. Wrap that with good quality >> electrical tape to keep the sun off of it. >> >> Or just do like the old timers. I've seen some VERY old towers out here. >> What's holding that cable on 30 years later? Wire. Wrap it around a >> couple >> of times, twist and forget. >> >> marlon >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Josh Luthman" <j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 7:18 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Installs on Towers, what's your method? >> >> >> >>> I disagree on the electrical tape. Every climb where I see electrical >>> tape >>> the stuff is remarkably frail. A stiff breeze would peel it right off. >>> Maybe 3M is way better then whatever I saw. >>> >>> The tower climber I have to use for a couple towers lead me to these and >>> I >>> love them: >>> http://www.tessco.com/products/displayProductInfo.do?sku=455824&eventPage=2 >>> >>> They can get tighter due to finer distances between ridges and last >>> "forever". As was said, these things are razor sharp once cut. Just >>> last >>> week I cut my finger on one of these and didn't notice it for a good >>> while. >>> >>> I can't think of anything to add to that list since you posted it but >>> I'm >>> sure someone will get an idea =) >>> >>> Good list to have! >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Scott Carullo >>> <sc...@brevardwireless.com>wrote: >>> >>> >>>> Similar but instead of Zip ties use good electrical tape (3m) >>>> >>>> Put enough wraps (6-10) and it will last probably longer than tie wrap >>>> and it puts more even pressure on all cable types than tie wraps >>>> >>>> Bonus is no rough edges, have one size fits all roll, able to remove >>>> without tools etc >>>> >>>> Scott Carullo >>>> Brevard Wireless >>>> (321) 205-1100 x102 >>>> >>>> On Aug 4, 2009, at 11:56 PM, Chuck Hogg <ch...@shelbybb.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> I just thought I'd share what we do for our tower installs, and find >>>>> out >>>>> what/if anything other people are doing. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> RF Prep >>>>> >>>>> 1. Use Radio Mobile to determine what we will need for antennas, >>>>> radios, etc. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Basic Tower Side/Mounting/Cables >>>>> >>>>> 1. Use a 18"-24" standoff mount, or sometimes direct to the leg >>>>> (sectors and backhauls). >>>>> >>>>> 2. Use LMR400 for jumper connections, mastic, tape, butyl, tape. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Use CMXR for Cat-5e cable, solder the ground ends, seal >>>>> around >>>>> with heatshrink. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Use Dielectric Grease on all connections. Protects the >>>>> Ethernet port and cable from allowing condensation or moisture to >>>>> build >>>>> up on the connector and get water inside the cable. I also use it on >>>>> RF. Once I was on a building and installing a link. I didn't have >>>>> any >>>>> tape, so I just used dielectric grease on the connector. I went back >>>>> to that building a year later and the connections are still solid. I >>>>> know for a fact I have had water in a connector when only using >>>>> mastic, >>>>> so this was bare and it was dry. Link is still solid. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Use UV Rated zip ties, so that they don't break later on down >>>>> the road. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Lightning Protection Side >>>>> >>>>> 1. Use QLW-8080s Ethernet Surge Suppressor on interior of any >>>>> MikroTik board. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Use PolyPhaser Lightning protection on all connections. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Use 600SS or other Canopy Grounding >>>>> >>>>> 4. Check the resistance in the current grounding from tower to >>>>> ground source. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Use CMXR for the grounding and double shield. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Safety Fall Protection >>>>> >>>>> 1. Hard Hats/Helmets Everyone there. >>>>> >>>>> 2. Steel-toed boots with the arch plate for standing on those >>>>> towers. >>>>> >>>>> 3. We use Elk River and DBI/Sala Exofit Tower XP Harnesses, 1-2 >>>>> positioning lanyards and an adjustable lanyard from Petzel. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Loads of shackles, beaners, block/pulleys, 5k lb load rope >>>>> and >>>>> 1k lb tag line. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Cable/Rope Grabs >>>>> >>>>> 6. Food/Drink/Hydration (they say water is best at tower class, >>>>> works for me) >>>>> >>>>> 7. Safety plan and project meeting >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Base >>>>> >>>>> 1. We setup a UPS. (sometimes battery banks, depending on the >>>>> importance of the tower) >>>>> >>>>> 2. We install a monitor/remote power switch. >>>>> >>>>> 3. Solar panels, aimed per the internet for optimal sun. >>>>> >>>>> 4. Trojan Deep Cycle batteries, easy to find at the golf cart >>>>> shops. >>>>> >>>>> 5. Setup a Site Monitor and Sync Injector if Canopy >>>>> >>>>> 6. Ground out everything at the base. Setup 600SS and other >>>>> surge >>>>> supressors >>>>> >>>>> 7. Mount POE's, Switches, etc. to 3/4 " x4'x4' plywood >>>>> >>>>> 8. Typically every tower we put up has a RB/450G or a RB/493AH >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do a ground run through to make sure you aren't missing anything. >>>>> Happy >>>>> vertical travels, and up you go. Take your time, double check >>>>> everything 3 times, as you don't want to forget and safely come down. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm probably missing some things here, but that's what I can remember >>>>> off-hand. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> >>>>> Chuck Hogg >>>>> >>>>> Shelby Broadband >>>>> 502-722-9292 >>>>> ch...@shelbybb.com >>>>> >>>>> http://www.shelbybb.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- >>>>> --- >>>>> --- >>>>> --- >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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