Pretty sure they all say 411, or 433, or 493, etc. In fact the crossroads also said 411 I think...
Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:33 PM, ralph <[email protected]> wrote: > I can't look again because I just dropped it off at UPS to go back for RMA. > I had never opened this one until now, but the board say 433 and the case > says 433AH. I bought a 433AH > Is the board in a 433AH board marked as such or do they all say 433? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > The FCC logo on the RB433AH is right next to the "CE" logo just to the > left of the two (ram?) chips about 2/3 of the way down the board. > > > > ralph wrote: > > I don't see anything like that on the pdf you referred to. > > I have in my hand a 433AH in a case that came from a well known supplier > of > > pre-cased RBs > > There are no markings on the case about compliance with any rule or any > FCC > > numbers at all. > > There is nothing that says FCC on the top of the RB inside either. I did > > not remove the board and look underneath. > > > > As far as where you go to see if it is certified or not, I don't know all > > the places, but there is usually a sticker that gives the details about > the > > certification. > > You can also check the FCC filing, which I believe even shows replicas of > > the sticker. I think the user's manual also mentions the approval. > > > > The Crossroads FCC filing shows the sticker and its placement. > > > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > > 9435&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > > The user's manual has an entire page dedicated to the FCC data including > all > > the warnings on page 11 > > > > https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=82 > > 9433&native_or_pdf=pdf > > > > > > > > Mikrotik has very little stuff certified. Most of the listings are for > the > > same devices, just certified on different frequencies or in different > > configurations. > > There are the 2 things I already mentioned, as well as these: > > > > R5H (a radio card only) photos show it in a routerboard being used as a > > "test fixture" but test was only for the card, and an FCC label must be > > placed on the outside of the final enclosure. Actually the same as > > WLM54AGP23 but FCC shown so record of this device. > > > > R52 : This module is intended for OEM integrator. The OEM integrator is > > still responsible > > for the FCC compliance requirement of the end product, which integrates > this > > module. > > > > > > So if you go and put an R52 in anything, it becomes *your* responsibility > to > > the FCC to maintain compliance. MT appears to be pretty much immune to > > citations on this issue. One could conclude that someone like Dennis > > probably operates this way. > > > > It isn't just MT. The Williboard stuff (when assembled by Deliberant or > > Ligowave) becomes certified too. > > > > I also seem to remember that the Pronghorn Metro stuff has do it yourself > > instructions showing exactly how to build the unit so it is just like the > > one they had certified, right down to the internal pigtail. > > > > I can't locate my StarOS equipment to see what they did, but something is > > telling me that they have the proper stickers too. I'd have to check, or > > maybe Lonnie can address the issue. > > > > It would really be nice to draw together a list of just which equipment > was > > and was not. Some folks would care I think. > > Of course from what I have read and seen over the years, many of you do > not > > care whether or not you are operating legally. > > > > I'm not trying to start anything- just stating the facts as I see 'em. > > > > Ralph > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Randy Cosby > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 1:31 PM > > To: WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > > > > What does the FCC symbol stamped on my RB433AH signify? (see > > http://www.routerboard.com/pdf/rb433ah.pdf) > > > > Where does one look to see what devices are FCC part-15 Class A and B > > certified? > > > > Randy > > > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > > >> An RB411 does not have onboard wireless at all, only a mPCI. A > crossroads > >> > > > > > >> does, however. > >> > >> > >> ----- > >> Mike Hammett > >> Intelligent Computing Solutions > >> http://www.ics-il.com > >> > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "ralph" <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 12:22 PM > >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >> > >> > >> > >>> Don't forget that routerboard is a computer. It does more than enable > the > >>> wireless card. > >>> It needs to have a Part 15 computing device certification as well, just > >>> like > >>> your PC. > >>> > >>> So regardless of the radio card and the antenna and any of the rest of > >>> > > the > > > >>> things that people are disagreeing on, it still boils down to a fine > for > > >>> the > >>> user if the RB causes interference and is found to be not certified. > If > >>> some of you were around when PC clones were being first built, we had > >>> these > >>> computer shows and fairs and even some Hamfests where the local pc > >>> builders > >>> were showing their wares. A popular PC case was a convenient flip top > >>> affair that allowed easy access to the cards inside without using > screws. > >>> The FCC made many a visit to these shows, shutting down and fining the > >>> builders of these systems. They did not build the motherboard and they > >>> > > did > > > >>> not build the case, they just *assembled* it, just like you folks are > >>> doing > >>> with the Mikrotik stuff. > >>> > >>> As far as I can tell from the FCC info, only 2 routerboards have any > FCC > >>> Part 15 Class A or B computing device approval. > >>> They are the Crossroads and the RB411- both of which already have on > >>> > > board > > > >>> wireless. > >>> > >>> I will quote part 15.3 here and you can decide whether or not your > >>> routerboards are required to be certified. > >>> If I were you, I would demand that MT have all their computing devices > >>> certified. > >>> > >>> ======= > >>> Digital device:ยง 15.3 (k) Digital device. (Previously defined as a > >>> computing > >>> device). An unintentional radiator (device or system) that generates > and > >>> uses timing signals or pulses at a rate in excess of 9,000 pulses > >>> > > (cycles) > > > >>> per second and uses digital techniques; inclusive of telephone > equipment > >>> that uses digital techniques or any device or system that generates and > >>> uses > >>> radio frequency energy for the purpose of performing data processing > >>> functions, such as electronic computations, operations, > transformations, > >>> recording, filing, sorting, storage, retrieval, or transfer. A radio > >>> frequency device that is specifically subject to an emanation > requirement > >>> > > > > > >>> in > >>> any other FCC Rule Part or an intentional radiator subject to Subpart C > >>> > > of > > > >>> this Part that contains a digital device is not subject to the > standards > > >>> for > >>> digital devices, provided the digital device is used only to enable > >>> operation of the radio frequency device and the digital device does not > >>> control additional functions or capabilities. Note: Computer terminals > >>> > > and > > > >>> peripherals that are intended to be connected to a computer are digital > >>> devices. > >>> > >>> > >>> Class A digital device: A Class "A" digital device is a digital device > >>> that > >>> is marketed for use in a commercial, industrial or business > environment. > >>> > >>> Class B digital device: A Class "B" digital device is a digital device > >>> that > >>> is marketed for use in a residential environment. Examples of such > >>> > > devices > > > >>> include, but are not limited to, personal computers, calculators, and > >>> similar electronic devices that are marketed for use by the general > >>> public. > >>> Class B equipment, intended for use in a residential environment where > >>> > > the > > > >>> likelihood of RFI is greater, must meet much stricter RF emission > limits > >>> than the Class A devices. > >>> ======= > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > >>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 7:32 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>> > >>> The way I understand it, the routerboard don't matter, the antenna, and > >>> radio matters, as its certified as a system, with xx gain of this type > >>> of antenna. You also have to have the FCC information, etc, on the > >>> outside that MT offers to only its distributors. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > >>> Behalf Of Jerry Richardson > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 6:12 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>> > >>> That's been the ongoing argument. > >>> > >>> I use the analogy of a PCMCIA or USB card. that's the device that is > FCC > >>> certified - the computer (routerboard) just runs it. > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > >>> Behalf Of [email protected] > >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:53 PM > >>> To: WISPA General List > >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>> > >>> Excuse my ignorance but since the card is the only thing that > >>> transmits why does the board and especially why does the enclosure > >>> need to be certified? If one puts a two way radio in a car the radio > >>> needs to be certified, not the whole car. > >>> > >>> Greg > >>> On Sep 14, 2009, at 8:30 PM, ralph wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> Pretty broad statement: "MT is FCC Certified :)" > >>>> Yes, I believe the wireless cards themselves might be- but even if > >>>> they are, > >>>> that does not an FCC certified system make. > >>>> Please give me some FCC registration numbers of certified systems. > >>>> Something > >>>> like the RB/card/enclosure combination. > >>>> Maybe someone built a system and had it tested and received a number > >>>> for > >>>> *that system*. > >>>> > >>>> Thanks > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> On > >>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:00 PM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>>> > >>>> MT is FCC Certified :) > >>>> > >>>> ----------------------------------------------------------- > >>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > >>>> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org > >>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services > >>>> WISPA Vendor Member > >>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net > >>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training > >>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> On > >>>> Behalf Of ralph > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 10:57 AM > >>>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>>> > >>>> Marlon- > >>>> You asked, and you probably already know what I will say > >>>> > >>>> Airaya and others: FCC Certified > >>>> Mikrotik- Not so much > >>>> It all depends on if you want to be legal or not. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> If you want 802.11, then look at the Ubiquiti Powerstation. Seems to > >>>> work > >>>> fine for us, just don't mount it outside. > >>>> > >>>> Ralph > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > >>>> On > >>>> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer > >>>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:19 AM > >>>> To: WISPA General List > >>>> Subject: [WISPA] backhaul choices > >>>> > >>>> Hi All, > >>>> > >>>> I have to upgrade a couple of backhaul systems and I'm wondering what > >>>> others > >>>> > >>>> are using. > >>>> > >>>> I've got Airaya gear in place. I've LOVED it. That's been some of > >>>> the > >>>> most > >>>> > >>>> reliable gear that I've ever used. > >>>> > >>>> I also like my Mikrotik hardware so far. We've put quite a bit of > >>>> it in > >>>> > >>>> over the last year or so. > >>>> > >>>> Both of the links I'm going to replace are indoor units with coax to > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>> outdoor antennas. So no fancy weather issues to deal with. > >>>> > >>>> It would be nice to go with Airaya again. But the MT hardware to do > >>>> the > >>>> > >>>> same job is about 20% of the cost last time I checked. I hate to go > >>>> too > >>>> > >>>> cheap, but I hate to spend too much for no gain..... What are you > >>>> guys > >>>> using these days? Again, the antennas and such are already in place, > >>>> all I > >>>> need to replace is the indoor ratios. > >>>> > >>>> Why would you install what you put in? > >>>> > >>>> laters, > >>>> marlon > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> > >>>> ---- > >>>> ---- > >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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