And my wife complains, "Why do you always have to take those tools with you everywhere we go?"
DUH! -----Original Message----- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Cheney Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 3:33 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops My point wasn't that there are no alternative ways to access information on the web, but rather one should consider the scenarios where this sort of information will be the most useful. If you are most commonly going to need a tool or a piece of information in a particular situation, you need to make it as easy as you can to access it in that situation. If you always need a set of crimpers when you've put on an end, then the crimpers and the ends should be together. If you are most often going to need pictures when a link is down, then you should be able to see pictures when a link is down. Yes, for most of you there is going to be someone in the office that you can call. For me, there almost never was. Josh Josh Luthman wrote: > Call the office. Think it out. What else are you going to do? Turn into a > brain dead company like Big Cable Co and scramble when things don't work? > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however > improbable, must be the truth." > --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle > > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Josh Cheney <josh.che...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Of course, if the reason you are at a particular site is because their >> connection is down, having the docs online doesn't help all that much... >> >> Robert West wrote: >>> I agree. I'd like to eventually have all the docs of every install >> online >>> so they can be pulled up from wherever I'm at. Not so for me at the >> moment. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 11:41 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>> >>> Most people will also say to have the enclosure outdoors (even if it's >>> another $200 to do so) so you have access to it when the resident is >> gone. >>> Get paperwork that allows you to do so. >>> >>> Installs should have a picture of the SU/SM/CPE, where it penetrates the >>> wall and the POE. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however >>> improbable, must be the truth." >>> --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 11:32 PM, jree...@18-30chat.net < >>> jree...@18-30chat.net> wrote: >>> >>>> inline >>>> >>>> Mark Nash wrote: >>>>> I'd like to hear opinions on what Micropops do to your business. >>>>> >>>>> 1. How many customers do you look for before you install even the least >>>>> expensive MPoP? >>>> 1 >>>> I can not think of a single person (on my net) that does not have a >>> laptop. >>>> They >>>> need a AP so you mighht as well leverage it (Its mine, I manage it, they >>>> have >>>> ZERO access to it) >>>> >>>> The worst someone can do to my network (with out figuring out some >>>> user/pass) is >>>> to unplug some part of it or otherwise damage hardware. >>>> >>>>> 2. I've always been of the opinion that having many small MPoPs >> devalues >>>> my >>>>> business to a prospective buyer. >>>> Why? >>>> >>>>> 3. I've always thought that having many small MPoPs is a problem for >>> tech >>>>> support (we have 700 customers and 3 techs...not everyone knows what >>> each >>>>> installation looks like or how it's connected necessarily). >>>> Documentation! >>>> I have found that pictures of >every< install is a must. I have a place >>>> where I >>>> store everything (other then just my brain!) even tho I am still in the >>> one >>>> man >>>> shop stages with this one. I keep every firmware, every application, >> reams >>>> of >>>> note pads, etc. I distill it down every so often. The one thing I am >>>> missing >>>> most )and am working on fixing that) is a GOOD network resource map >> setup. >>>>> I think this is good discussion... >>>>> >>>>> Just because you CAN do it, SHOULD you do it. >>>>> >>>>> Depends on a few factors... >>>>> >>>>> 1. Do I need/want to make money any which way I can? >>>> Yes! =) >>>> >>>> OK OK, no bank robberies. >>>> >>>>> 2. How much do I put into a MPoP (battery backup vs. power outage & no >>>>> access to AP if its host is on vacation) >>>> Thats easy. How often is power out? I have full site access (roof) and >>>> everything is there. I will be adding out door mounted UPS's as it makes >>>> sense >>>> to. For the most part, when power is out here, everyone is with out. In >>>> years >>>> the only power outage that did not take >everyone< out let us know there >>>> was a >>>> issue with one of the primary UPS's. APC and it had no idea the battery >>> was >>>> bad >>>> till after the power failed. >>>> >>>>> 3. Do I plan to sell my business and if I do should I stick to >>>> traditional >>>>> "inside-the-box" installations? >>>> Right now, I do not plan to sell (no way would I get out what I have put >>> in >>>> time >>>> wise). Would I ever sell? Sure its on the table but right now I can not >>>> demand >>>> the price I would need to move on to bigger/better projects. I expect >> that >>>> to >>>> change some day. >>>> >>>> "inside the box" oh man. I had a convo with a SBC rep once. DS3 port >>> $2000, >>>> 700ft to cross the street $28K. Wireless? to quote "That (roof access) >> is >>>> to far >>>> out side the box". This is 10 years ago. >>>> >>>> >>>> On a side, I play the lotto and fiddle with numbers and burn $5/mo or so >>> in >>>> tickets. Its a hobby and it pays off often enough to fund itself. If I >>> were >>>> to >>>> ever 'win big' I would do this for free, I simply love doing it. Yes, I >> am >>>> certifiable. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Mark Nash >>>>> UnwiredWest >>>>> 78 Centennial Loop >>>>> Suite E >>>>> Eugene, OR 97401 >>>>> 541-998-5555 >>>>> 541-998-5599 fax >>>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "RickG" <rgunder...@gmail.com> >>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 2:39 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Micropops >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I'm doing just that using Ubiquiti Pico2HP units as the AP and bullets >>>>>> for the backhaul (5GHz whenever possible). >>>>>> -RickG >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 3:21 PM, Mark McElvy <mmce...@accubak.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> I suppose that is a good term, I would like to be able to >> redistribute >>>>>>> service to small pockets of houses, 6-12, without putting up a full >>>>>>> blown AP/BH setup. Any one else doing this? I normally use 5.8 for BH >>>>>>> typically and 2.4 for clients, I was thinking of maybe using a PS2 to >>>>>>> receive/BH and connect it to an NS2 with small omni to redistribute. >>>>>>> Both would be in a bridge and allow the clients connected to connect >>> to >>>>>>> the main AP for PPPoE authentication. Is this a reasonable or >>>> ridiculous >>>>>>> solution? Any other solutions others are using that might be better? >> I >>>>>>> know I could use MT but that would add complexity to the mix I don't >>>>>>> need. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> ---- >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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