----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule
> Sorry Marlon; you'll have to show me. Not only is there no burial > depth requirement for limited energy circuits, such as telephone, and > data, but the installation you speak of was done by a communications > utility, making it exempt from any NEC rules. That's different than a WISP doing this... > > NEC does talk about low voltage <30V landscape lighting and it must > be buried at least 6 inches. Remember that the 802.3AF standard is 48 volts. Most equipment isn't there yet, but it's probably coming. I'll have to dig out the book again and doublecheck but I'll assume that you're right on the 6" deal. If it works for us that's great. It's been a couple of years since I've gone through a class. > > I use that direct burial cable with no icky pick, but looks and feels > like lanolin. It has a PVC jacket, moves with frost heave, and lasts > forever. Not that I have done it more than a few times, but would > MUCH rather do it that way than go overhead if I have a choice. I agree with the underground vs. overhead. My decision to use conduit mainly comes from the irrigated farm days. We always burried the cables 3' deep (to be well below the farming levels). Yet some kind of critter or another was always chewing up the cables and causing breaks, corrosion etc. Once we finally started putting all of the cables in conduit all of those problems went away. Oh yeah, in my yard I've had to fix the sprinkler wires more than once due to moles. Conduit is cheap. It's also very east to replace the cable when someone's dog, racoon, or whatever eats the wires off of the radio. grin marlon > > Mike > > > > At 08:51 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >>It's 18" everywhere, that's NEC rules. I tell people what code is then >>let >>them handle the ditch... >> >>Also, we NEVER direct bury anymore. Eventually the gophers or something >>will get it, and you just can't splice this cable either (at least *I* >>won't). >> >>We put all underground in conduit nowadays. Life is sooo much better this >>way. >>marlon >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Curtis Maurand" <[email protected]> >>To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >>Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 12:23 PM >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] billable fee schedule >> >> >> > >> > I would never do it that way. too much chance of someone crunching it >> > if its not down far enough. ground expands and thaws and that can >> > sever >> > a cable. I know this doesn't classify as electrical, but electrical >> > code around here is 18" deep. >> > >> > --C >> > >> > Mike wrote: >> >> No you don't. I have *several* direct burials just inches down. I >> >> dug them just the way I said. There's nothing to freeze? My >> >> business IS in the frozen north; Iowa. >> >> >> >> At 12:22 PM 10/13/2009, you wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> You must be in the south where the ground doesn't freeze. Up here in >> >>> the great white north, you need to go down 18 inches. >> >>> >> >>> --C >> >>> >> >>> Mike wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> When I was a young man, a writer, I was idealistic and ready to >> >>>> conquer the world. In short order I grew up and lost my >> >>>> idealism. Since starting this business I have regained some of >> >>>> >> >>> that idealism. >> >>> >> >>>> My experience is the opposite. I usually take care of those >> >>>> customers who need minor help with things THEY consider part of MY >> >>>> network. I would not have gone overhead unless there was no way to >> >>>> trench. Direct burial cable is cheap. A trench can be made with a >> >>>> power edger with a new blade. An aerial should be tied to a >> >>>> supporting rope or wire. >> >>>> >> >>>> Most of my customers knew they couldn't get Internet except slow >> >>>> dialup before we came along. Is it loyalty? A new company has been >> >>>> selling in my county off of their cellular towers. I have only lost >> >>>> 2 customers to them. >> >>>> >> >>>> Never underestimate the power of good customer service. >> >>>> >> >>>> Mike >> >>>> >> >>>> At 07:58 PM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>>> I used to think that but I have found no matter how much you give >> >>>>> away, there is no loyalty! The monthly rate is all most care about. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Mike <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> If it is a good customer, I'd either do it for nothing, or for >> >>>>>> materials. You may just retain that customer for the next two >> >>>>>> years >> >>>>>> because of your good will. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> If he is prepared for $50 and its easy and doesn't take you long, >> >>>>>> you can say give me $20.00 for the cable and the custom ends, and >> >>>>>> we'll call it even. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Either way, you'll make a friend/keep a customer; and they do >> >>>>>> talk. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Our hourly billing is $60. Usually to make network settings, get >> >>>>>> virus protection on a machine ... >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> At 09:52 AM 10/12/2009, you wrote: >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Here's the scenario: Customer has an aerial ethernet run from his >> >>>>>>> garage to his home. A tree branch fell and cut the line. I told >> >>>>>>> him >> >>>>>>> we'll replace it for a $50 fee. Does this sound fair? >> >>>>>>> Also, does anyone have a fee schedule they use for billable >> >>>>>>> calls? >> >>>>>>> Thanks! >> >>>>>>> -RickG >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>> -------------- >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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