You have to follow network designs that allow for CALEA intercepts if need be. If you've not looked at the WISPA standard I'd suggest you do so now. It'll be a lot easier to comply if the network is designed for LEA interface ahead of time.
http://www.wispa.org/calea/WCS/index.html marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Richardson" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement > OK so let's play out the scenario. > > Studio wants ISP send a letter to the customer > ISP is NAT/DHCP - has no way to know > Studio gets subpoena > > What now? At this point LEA is involved which demands cooperation. > If the network is open WiFi, then there truly is no way to know. > If the network is fixed installation, then the ISP "could" provide the > information. > > So assuming it's a fixed installation, the ISP sets up a server with > Wireshark or other packet capture and stores that data for....1 day, 1 > week, 1 month? > > At this point is the ISP breaking any privacy laws of customers that are > NOT named in the subpoena? Not if the customer's TOA indicated that their > Internet traffic MAY be stored and analyzed under legal request by LEA. > > > Mind you this is all hypothetical. I'm just trying to understand the > potential impact and exposire on the part of the ISP. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Josh Luthman > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:48 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement > >> So what does the law require? > > It doesn't. > >> Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static >> public > IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? > > If the law changes and says each customer is required to have a public IP, > then ISPs need to be provided as such. > > Keep in mind, too, that IPs are dynamic with most ISPs. Don't forget that > the "I have an open WiFi don't blame me" case still works. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." > --- Albert Einstein > > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Jerry Richardson > <[email protected] >> wrote: > >> good point. >> >> So what does the law require? >> >> Is this a case for why providing Internet services without a static >> public >> IP exposed the ISP to legal suit? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Josh Luthman >> Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 9:31 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement >> >> That works for current infringements but what about those last night? >> last >> week? last month? >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." >> --- Albert Einstein >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Jerry Richardson < >> [email protected] >> > wrote: >> >> > So if you are running a NAT/DHCP network, how would you find the >> offending >> > customer? We are running static/public so we don't run into this. >> > >> > I think the simplest way is to require the studio to provide the IP for >> the >> > server delivering copyrighted information. >> > >> > The ISP has to be tracking CPE MACs. >> > >> > Use MT's torch or Wireshark to look at connections across the network >> > to >> > find the BT server IP. Match the connection to the MAC and there you >> > go. >> > >> > Maybe there is an easier way. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> > Behalf Of Nick Olsen >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 8:11 AM >> > To: WISPA General List >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement >> > >> > Really to cover yourself you would need to know what customer it came >> from, >> > When NAT'ing that's hard to do. So yeah, I would agree you the ISP >> > could >> > become the sole person responsible for that unless you can point >> > fingers >> at >> > a customer. >> > >> > Nick Olsen >> > Brevard Wireless >> > (321) 205-1100 x106 >> > >> > >> > ---------------------------------------- >> > >> > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 11:03 AM >> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement >> > >> > What are you guys doing who have some/all of your network nat'ed? Seems >> > like then more of the burden might fall on you. >> > >> > GReg >> > >> > On Nov 10, 2009, at 11:20 AM, Adam Goodman wrote: >> > >> > > To me the question is how much work should I invest in order to >> > > protect "their" copyright interest. It makes sense to me that since >> > > they have no way of knowing the identity of the customer and all they >> > > really have is an ip address. That the ISP would have to connect the >> > > copyright owner to the customer. Billing them for the research work >> > > sounds like good idea to me. That way I am not preventing them from >> > > contacting the perpetrating party, and I also get paid for my time. >> > > >> > > -Adam >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Robert West < >> [email protected] >> > > >> > wrote: >> > >> I agree. I'm not the sheriff, I'm just the messenger boy. I pass >> > >> it >> > along >> > >> and forget it. Not my job. >> > >> >> > >> Bob- >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> -----Original Message----- >> > >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On >> > >> Behalf Of Chuck Hogg >> > >> Sent: Monday, November 09, 2009 12:41 PM >> > >> To: WISPA General List >> > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMCA - copyright infringement >> > >> >> > >> Notify customer, give a warning, make not on account, disregard >> > >> studio >> > >> letter. 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