Actually it's not so different from a job. You should get paid to answer the phones, keep the place clean, etc.? grin
Giving the kids some money does teach them how to manage it. When they run out they are done buying. My kids trim trees with me. That's how they earn money for stuff that they want. My version of the family farm :-). Gotta put that bucket truck to use somehow. marlon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josh Luthman" <[email protected]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2010 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to protect your kids It is dated but that's is what I believe. Society most definitely disagrees with that. Hopefully you don't come to regret those words some day :) On 4/19/10, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: > Wow, you're 22 and think like that?!?! I thought that mindset was dated! > Just come help with the "family business" and I'll make sure you eat, > have a place to sleep, & get a percentage of the profits :) > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Josh Luthman > <[email protected]> wrote: >> What would my allowance be with no chores? >> >> Another big thing...I never got an allowance. I worked for my money >> (odd jobs, helping people out, etc.)Before Rick that is. >> >> IMO it's crap. Giving a child money to do what is expected (help >> cleaning and keeping up the house) just makes no sense. Both my >> parents came from a farm - work all day every day and in turn food and >> a bed. >> >> On 4/19/10, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Can I adopt you? :) >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM, Josh Luthman >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Keep in mind I am 22 and have no kids. This is my personal point of >>>> view. >>>> >>>> My parents never set guidelines or many rules (just the basic things). >>>> >>>> I have never done any drugs. Been offered and been around them more >>>> then >>>> enough. Never smoked a cigarette in my life. Never drank until I >>>> was...very close to 21. Never got in any trouble at school. My first >>>> job >>>> led to the second job/career I have today. I enjoy my life, the people >>>> around me and the things I have. >>>> >>>> My partner has 3 teenage girls. He is extremely strict. One of them >>>> gets >>>> in to trouble, disobeys, does "wrong" things, etc. A friend I had in >>>> high >>>> school was in the same position. I know where that person's life stands >>>> today and I would say we could all agree it's not what we hoped our >>>> lives >>>> would be at 23 or 24. >>>> >>>> I'm not judging how you or anyone parent, but rather just providing you >>>> with >>>> my experiences, my results and my facts. >>>> >>>> Take the above for as much as you paid for it =) >>>> >>>> Josh Luthman >>>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>> 1100 Wayne St >>>> Suite 1337 >>>> Troy, OH 45373 >>>> >>>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>> continue >>>> that counts.” >>>> --- Winston Churchill >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 1:26 PM, RickG <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Josh, I truly enjoy your posts regarding wireless but but I disagree >>>>> with this. Its not about trust. We are all human and make mistakes, >>>>> especially kids. As parents, we are not to assume our kids are >>>>> perfect. Therefore, we SHOULD expect them to do things that may hurt >>>>> or be bad for them. The best thing to do is error on the side of >>>>> safety, within reason. Just my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Josh Luthman >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> > Trust your kids and they will trust you back. >>>>> > >>>>> > Josh Luthman >>>>> > Office: 937-552-2340 >>>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343 >>>>> > 1100 Wayne St >>>>> > Suite 1337 >>>>> > Troy, OH 45373 >>>>> > >>>>> > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>>>> continue >>>>> > that counts.” >>>>> > --- Winston Churchill >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Paul Gerstenberger >>>>> > <[email protected] >>>>> >wrote: >>>>> > >>>>> >> I have not done this (don't have kids), but there was some >>>>> >> discussion >>>>> >> at >>>>> a >>>>> >> workshop I was at recently. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> How about using an IDS/IPS on your home network. The brand that was >>>>> >> discussed at the workshop was fortinet. Should let you intercept >>>>> >> all >>>>> those >>>>> >> sorts of things. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> -Paul >>>>> >> >>>>> >> On Apr 13, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> > Hi All, >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Here's the scenario. My kids are expressly forbidden from having >>>>> email >>>>> >> > addresses outside my domain. They are forbidden from having >>>>> >> > myspace, >>>>> >> > facebook etc. sites. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > If they want an email, fine by me, but it's one that *I* can >>>>> >> > check >>>>> >> > on. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > If they want a web site, fine by me, but make it a real one that >>>>> >> > *I* >>>>> can >>>>> >> > delete things from. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > I'm trying to teach them to NOT do or say things on the internet >>>>> >> > that >>>>> >> might >>>>> >> > bite them in the butt later. The days of people eventually >>>>> >> > forgetting >>>>> >> the >>>>> >> > stupidity of youth or passion are long gone. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Anyway, my 13 year old has a myspace account. He used a hotmail >>>>> >> > email >>>>> >> > address to get it. He had permission to use neither of them. I >>>>> finally >>>>> >> > found out about the myspace account and went in to check out what >>>>> >> > he'd >>>>> >> been >>>>> >> > saying. His trash and sent messages had both been erased between >>>>> >> > when >>>>> I >>>>> >> got >>>>> >> > the password out of him and when I had time to check on it. (I >>>>> >> > didn't >>>>> >> know >>>>> >> > that his zune, a video player!!!! would ALSO allow him to get on >>>>> >> > the >>>>> net >>>>> >> and >>>>> >> > work on his page, talk to his friends etc. deep sigh) >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > So, I contacted myspace, using his account, and asked for all of >>>>> >> > the >>>>> >> deleted >>>>> >> > information. I explained that I was the father of a minor and >>>>> >> > that >>>>> >> > he >>>>> >> had >>>>> >> > no permission to use their site and I wanted to know what was >>>>> >> > being >>>>> >> hidden >>>>> >> > from me. I gave my full name AND phone number as well as my email >>>>> >> address. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > They were very good about contacting me quickly about this issue. >>>>> >> However >>>>> >> > they flatly refused to provide me with any information!!!!! They >>>>> >> > had >>>>> NO >>>>> >> > proof of age etc. on the account. Nothing to verify that the >>>>> >> > child >>>>> was >>>>> >> over >>>>> >> > 18 etc. And *I* as the PARENT am prevented from accessing the >>>>> >> > account >>>>> >> > information! "go get it from your teen" is basically what I was >>>>> >> > told. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > WTF is this??????? Absolutly amazing. >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > So, what do the rest of you do to try to protect or control your >>>>> >> > kids >>>>> >> these >>>>> >> > days? >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > thanks >>>>> >> > marlon >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>>>> >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>>> >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>>> >> > >>>>> >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> >> WISPA Wants You! 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