At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >Fred, > >Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the >contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a >WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to >somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can >have a file or web server and it does not adversely affect the >overall WISP network performance.
Sure it does. Last week's discussion confirmed that the average ISP retail residential customer generates a load of about 50-100 kbps. A lot higher when "using" it, near zero at other times. But a file server can pump an Mbps or more all day and night. The whole trick to low residential pricing is a high oversubscription ratio, and this is especially true with wireless. >This level of throughput management should come under the >"reasonable network management" definition that service providers >are allowed to perform. This throttling is also >application-independent so no selective throttling by application is >needed. Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables >full time and once programmed, it requires no human interaction. "Reasonable" is a "rule of man", not "rule of law" construct. Blocking the pirate CDN was not considered "reasonable" when it was not done by an ILEC. I would rather allow ISPs to do as they please, at risk of displeasing their customers, rather than follow rules designed to please a cheapskate pR0n distributor. And banning servers is a good way to keep the average load and thus the cost and price down. >Fred Goldstein wrote: >>At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote: >>>Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if >>>you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their >>>contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you >>>were supplying them and limiting them to? >> >>You could limit throughput "neutrally", provided that it limited >>upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and >>telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to >>do. However, those applications usually require a person to be >>there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer) >>prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable. >> >>I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities >>on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it >>perfectly desirable. >> >>>Fred Goldstein wrote: >>>>At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: >>>>>That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net >>>>>Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale. >>>> >>>>I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it >>>>could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by >>>>the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though >>>>your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) >>>>is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to >>>>install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though >>>>it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone >>>>site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n >>>>distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user >>>>computers to undercut other CDNs on price. >>>> >>>>I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS >>>>is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be >>>>happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I >>>>think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com >>>> ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ >>>> +1 617 795 2701 >>>> -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
