Comments inline. Fred Goldstein wrote: Then put a monthly bandwidth cap (or caps) into your Terms of Service and price your service accordingly.At 8/3/2010 09:03 PM, Jack Unger wrote:Fred,Many WISPs throttle throughput according to the terms of the contracted service that each customer purchases. For example, if a WISP sells 1 Mb down and 512k up then they limit throughput to somewhere near those levels. Under those conditions, a customer can have a file or web server and it does not adversely affect the overall WISP network performance.Sure it does. Last week's discussion confirmed that the average ISP retail residential customer generates a load of about 50-100 kbps. A lot higher when "using" it, near zero at other times. But a file server can pump an Mbps or more all day and night. The whole trick to low residential pricing is a high oversubscription ratio, and this is especially true with wireless. With no rules, what are you going to do when your upstream provider decides to block or throttle your network for whatever the reason? They are after all just "doing what they please". Without some kind of network neutrality protection, there's no law against blocking you, right?This level of throughput management should come under the "reasonable network management" definition that service providers are allowed to perform. This throttling is also application-independent so no selective throttling by application is needed. Finally, the throttling is implemented in routing tables full time and once programmed, it requires no human interaction."Reasonable" is a "rule of man", not "rule of law" construct. Blocking the pirate CDN was not considered "reasonable" when it was not done by an ILEC. I would rather allow ISPs to do as they please, at risk of displeasing their customers, rather than follow rules designed to please a cheapskate pR0n distributor. And banning servers is a good way to keep the average load and thus the cost and price down. Fred Goldstein wrote:At 8/3/2010 06:24 PM, Jack Unger wrote:Why would customers installing file servers cause you a problem if you limited their throughput to the Terms and Conditions of their contract where you would specify the amount of bandwidth that you were supplying them and limiting them to?You could limit throughput "neutrally", provided that it limited upstream file service and interactive applications like gaming and telephony equally. That's basically what Comcast consented to do. However, those applications usually require a person to be there; content distribution runs 7x24. Their ToS (I'm a customer) prohibited file and web servers; the FCC found that unreasonable. I do believe that if someone had complained about such activities on Verizon's or ATT's part, the K-Mart FCC would have found it perfectly desirable.Fred Goldstein wrote:At 8/3/2010 04:58 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:That's what I don't understand... some people are so for Net Neutrality, but every unhappy incumbent customer is a potential sale.I've long opposed "network neutrality" rules on grounds that it could put most WISPs out of business. You'd be forced to live by the same rules that the urban ILECs and CATVs do, even though your cost of both last-mile capacity and middle mile (if rural) is much higher. Thus you'd be required to allow customers to install file servers at their subscriber locations, even though it's much cheaper (overall) to have them at a fiber backbone site. Recall that Vuze, who made the big stink, is a pR0n distributor using subscriber-site file servers and home-user computers to undercut other CDNs on price. I think Verizon actually favors such rules, on grounds that FiOS is hurt less than most others, including cable, and they'd be happy to see WISPs go away. (When I see them opposing it, I think of Bre'r Rabbit and the brier patch.) -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701-- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein "at" ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com |
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